Brother to sister mating is it to close,

[tinytiger 822]

10 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

I think what the rule is mate the maximum times  a horse should show up 3 generations back is 3 times.

Some will breed further apart but that's as close as they will go.

I read an interview with the greyhound breeder/trainer Nick Savva once, said basically the same thing.(He wouldn't go closer than 4 x4)

[Bosun11 537]

If you've got any related dog or bitch, that are exactly what you require and there's nothing else out there that would suit, then you'd be a bloody fool not to put them together...

You can worry about imperfections later down the line. Some of the best dogs I've seen have been bred like this...

[Deerhunter1 771]

11 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

If you've got any related dog or bitch, that are exactly what you require and there's nothing else out there that would suit, then you'd be a bloody fool not to put them together...

You can worry about imperfections later down the line. Some of the best dogs I've seen have been bred like this...

I think if you’ve got any dog & bitch that are exactly what you want, then you’d be a fool not to put them together whether they were related or not. A lot of people won’t breed unrelated stuff or scatterbred stuff because it’s a gamble but tbh all breedings a gamble, if it weren’t then everyone would have top class dogs and over all my years in dogs I’ve not seen many at all 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

Just to elaborate, that's 30 of the origional Arab stallions and "indigenous" mares

Cheers.

Not that I know much about horses, but wouldn't you expect that to be the case? 

Like saying that the 6.8billion people on the planet have the same genes as the first 2 humans that walked the earth. It's going to be the case. Just a side note

[Bosun11 537]

18 minutes ago, Deerhunter1 said:

I think if you’ve got any dog & bitch that are exactly what you want, then you’d be a fool not to put them together whether they were related or not. A lot of people won’t breed unrelated stuff or scatterbred stuff because it’s a gamble but tbh all breedings a gamble, if it weren’t then everyone would have top class dogs and over all my years in dogs I’ve not seen many at all 

Agreed  

[dogmandont 9,777]

22 minutes ago, Deerhunter1 said:

I think if you’ve got any dog & bitch that are exactly what you want, then you’d be a fool not to put them together whether they were related or not. A lot of people won’t breed unrelated stuff or scatterbred stuff because it’s a gamble but tbh all breedings a gamble, if it weren’t then everyone would have top class dogs and over all my years in dogs I’ve not seen many at all 

Scatter bred works if you don't expect to much from your dogs or your in it for the money. 

[Deerhunter1 771]

2 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Scatter bred works if you don't expect to much from your dogs or your in it for the money. 

Got to disagree mate top 3 dogs I’ve seen in my life been bred from unrelated parents, my current bitch she’s bred from unrelated stuff and I’ve never seen a line bred dog that could match her for all round work, that’s just my opinion like doesn’t mean to say I’m right in all cases it’s just what I’ve seen myself and I’ve seen a fair amount of dogs run

[mC HULL 12,173]

7 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Scatter bred works if you don't expect to much from your dogs or your in it for the money. 

put the pedigree up of your pups mate i’ll put mine see the difference

Edited June 9, 2022 by mC HULL

[Deerhunter1 771]

 

6 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

put the pedigree up of your pups mate i’ll put mine see the difference

Obviously can’t be done on a public forum but best way would be compare & see who caught what last season, if lads are right in what they say the line bred dogs should’ve put loads more away

[mC HULL 12,173]

5 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Well we had offliners, we had matches. Now it’s time to compare pedigrees

be good to see what the bull x owners think is linebred and the coursing bred owners think is linebred katch  

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

You'll get more hybrid vigour and new positive or negative traits with outcrossing and unrelated stuff, but will you get consistency, physically and mentally?

[mC HULL 12,173]

1 minute ago, Deerhunter1 said:

 

Obviously can’t be done on a public forum but best way would be compare & see who caught what last season, if lads are right in what they say the line bred dogs should’ve put loads more away

it’s obvious mate there’s no way in a million years out is putting as many daytime hares away as a linebred coursing dog 

but could i breed a scatter bred 3:4 grey quarter bull and stop as many fox as a linebred one i recon i could easy 

[Deerhunter1 771]

2 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

it’s obvious mate there’s no way in a million years out is putting as many daytime hares away as a linebred coursing dog 

but could i breed a scatter bred 3:4 grey quarter bull and stop as many fox as a linebred one i recon i could easy 

Pre ban I saw some line bred deer dogs meant to the business but when I seen them they weren’t a patch on scatterbred dogs me & a mate had at the same time, makes you think

[mC HULL 12,173]

Just now, Deerhunter1 said:

Pre ban I saw some line bred deer dogs meant to the business but when I seen them they weren’t a patch on scatterbred dogs me & a mate had at the same time, makes you think

how was they bred though mate 

most strong coursing breds will kill most bambi they run up to medium sized fallow 

[mC HULL 12,173]

another thing i notice is a sign of inbreeding depression is the inability to reproduce naturally and not have issues  the bull x owners seem to struggle use ai more than any other breed