joe ox 2,593 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, mC HULL said: you should be enjoying it joe something to laugh at i love it when i hear half the shit on here from double up merchants i sit laughing or am i hitting a nerve your not one a them runs a bull x with a whippet or fast lurcher are you few a them on here something to catch up and turn it Your to stupid to realize people are laughing at you not with you. I am just about convinced you have learning difficulties. 2 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, joe ox said: Your to stupid to realize people are laughing at you not with you. I am just about convinced you have learning difficulties. i’m glad lads find me amusing joe 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 weres deer man gone another bullshit merchant on a different account Quote Link to post
sandymere 8,263 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 hours ago, riohog said: From Persian تازی (tâzi, “dog breed” Don't want to be getting caught up in names/translation, its unreliable, in spain a greyhound is a Galgo but not the same as a galgo, in north Africa a Sloughi is often referred to as a saluki. Tazi are a distinct breed and certainly not Salukis, they come from thousands of miles apart. Quote Link to post
sandymere 8,263 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 People see a “saluki type” and think it’s a Saluki but the sighthounds are one of the most ancient breeds and they have been distinct species across thousand of miles for thousands of years. So there is a sighthound type of which the salukis is an example rather than all sighthounds being types of saluki. We are used to the English greyhound and equate them to what a sighthound should look like whereas in truth it’s the greyhound that is the odd one out. Salukis and Tazy were separate species before the Greyhound existed and as such the greyhound is more closely related to a collie than a Saluki is to a Tazy. There may have been a historical shared ancestor to the ancient sight hounds but if so it was so long ago it would have little impact on things like temperament today but what they do have is convergent evolution. We can see similar in the mastiff type, a dog that has evolved in different countries from different base stock to perform a similar function evolve to have a similar form ie English, Spanish and Italian mastiff along with the Tosa and Doge de Bordeaux etc. So Sloughi and Tazi have been evolved to hunt larger game, especially that which bites back, whilst Salukis and Galgos for hare or small ungulates, they have similar forms as they perform similar tasks generally with variations such a coat length that suits the local habitat but basically all are sighthounds. But look a little closer and see the differences and similarities that come with convergent evolution, as an example, the Kanni in southern India resembles a Sloughi from north Africa, not because they are genetically related, thousands of miles between them, but rather that they fulfil similar roles so have evolved similar forms based on the basic sighthound blueprint. So rather than thinking all ancient sighthounds are salukis perhaps see salukis as just one tiny type of the many ancient sighthounds that that come in many, many varieties. Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, sandymere said: Don't want to be getting caught up in names/translation, its unreliable, in spain a greyhound is a Galgo but not the same as a galgo, in north Africa a Sloughi is often referred to as a saluki. Tazi are a distinct breed and certainly not Salukis, they come from thousands of miles apart. you are wrong mate and think that salukis only come from the gulf region , remember the silk road came all the way from china across many countries ,so salukis didnt just grow out of the arabian desert dont get blinkered 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 yes can’t see them been a saluki sandy or anything close differnet lines for different quarry that’s all and the silk road stretched thousands of miles and the saluki is found up and down it 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 used for trade but not in hunting dogs sandy ? Quote Link to post
Francie 6,368 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, sandymere said: People see a “saluki type” and think it’s a Saluki but the sighthounds are one of the most ancient breeds and they have been distinct species across thousand of miles for thousands of years. So there is a sighthound type of which the salukis is an example rather than all sighthounds being types of saluki. We are used to the English greyhound and equate them to what a sighthound should look like whereas in truth it’s the greyhound that is the odd one out. Salukis and Tazy were separate species before the Greyhound existed and as such the greyhound is more closely related to a collie than a Saluki is to a Tazy. There may have been a historical shared ancestor to the ancient sight hounds but if so it was so long ago it would have little impact on things like temperament today but what they do have is convergent evolution. We can see similar in the mastiff type, a dog that has evolved in different countries from different base stock to perform a similar function evolve to have a similar form ie English, Spanish and Italian mastiff along with the Tosa and Doge de Bordeaux etc. So Sloughi and Tazi have been evolved to hunt larger game, especially that which bites back, whilst Salukis and Galgos for hare or small ungulates, they have similar forms as they perform similar tasks generally with variations such a coat length that suits the local habitat but basically all are sighthounds. But look a little closer and see the differences and similarities that come with convergent evolution, as an example, the Kanni in southern India resembles a Sloughi from north Africa, not because they are genetically related, thousands of miles between them, but rather that they fulfil similar roles so have evolved similar forms based on the basic sighthound blueprint. So rather than thinking all ancient sighthounds are salukis perhaps see salukis as just one tiny type of the many ancient sighthounds that that come in many, many varieties. Selective breeding is not evoloution 1 Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, riohog said: its a painting yes and abit stylized .but that aint no fkn bull cross id say saluki /tazi or whatever the chineese called it 1000yrs ago 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 a lot come out of the cradle of civilisation sandy farming the wheel domesticating animals what dog did they use before that for hunting gazzelle i wonder were the fertile crescent is Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Francie said: Selective breeding is not evoloution selective breeding or inbreeding to sandy evolution Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, mC HULL said: selective breeding or inbreeding to sandy evolution sandy,s done a runner he was never going to win with his copy and paste shite 1 1 Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,079 Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 What a you really are showing yourself up to be MC... Have you ever hunted anywhere outside your own county... Doesn't sound like it to me... When reality is your dogs are one trick ponies who definitely don't like anything that kicks or bites back..a bit like there fat owner... hanging of his daddy's coat tails. Quote Link to post
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