sandymere 8,263 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Re breeding and genetics, as said above good doers are different from good producers, if you get one that does and then goes on to produce doers then you have the magic key. 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, jeemes said: Unless they meet summat that bites back eh? mate me dogs finishes things quick shake a fox about like it’s a big rat me bitch on the other hand is different if you selective bred for fox there’s no doubt in my mind you could easy create a line more than capable 1 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, jeemes said: Substitute greater yields for greater performance, stamina, gameness etc. Thats what we are talking about. An improving scale. If you have a great dog in your kennel then you use him at stud to various bitches and he also produces, then you have yourself a prepotent animal. King of dogs! because hes probably DD for the important traits. If you carry on from there outcrossing the offspring all you will be doing is watering down and confusing the original blood of the great dog you had. The purpose of inbreeding is to fix or purify traits. In other words stop the masking of recessives with dominant genes. Have you ever bred two very good dogs together and wondered why the pups they produced were a disappointment? It happens all the time. Its down to genes not being Double dominant, in other words, undesirable recessives. You could breed the same pair again and get a good one in the litter or maybe not, as Mchull says "varying results". Hes got it in one. What you are doing with inbreeding is cutting out the waste and preserving the good, making it simpler. Theres a bit more to it than that obviously and you have to be careful and test dogs but Im just making the point. There shouldnt be a fast rule about which relation are bred,the main thing is both parents need to be very healthy. Im afraid when you buy dogs in you dont know what your getting usually. You only know what you are told. Best to breed your own imo. All my dogs are half cross. you don’t do it by breeding brother sister though or farther son over and over you linebreed Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, sandymere said: Re breeding and genetics, as said above good doers are different from good producers, if you get one that does and then goes on to produce doers then you have the magic key. spot on sandy Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 plenty i country of origin hunt different things remember a fox is a quarter a the weight teeth like a cat 3 1 Quote Link to post
mackem 26,482 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, mC HULL said: plenty i country of origin hunt different things remember a fox is a quarter a the weight teeth like a cat Is that an Arabian wolf or a jackal? Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, mackem said: Is that an Arabian wolf or a jackal? id say arabian wolf mate 1 Quote Link to post
tinytiger 830 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 hours ago, bird said: Good point charts, I know bloke who married his 2nd cousin, she nice looking etc, and seems normal enough, if a person can be lol. But it does make you think about people in general, as I've known loads of people, who go with out with any one unless there fairly local to where they live and born. And what I found over the years working lurchers, nearly all farmers never marry anybody unless local not saying there inbreds lol. But feck me, when I was after a woman, I go easy 100 mile for night out, a good distance for a shag, lol. Know it was nice to go another town etc. Apparently the healthiest possible kids a person can have is with their 3rd cousin.I'm from a rural village in Ireland,most people there would be at least that much related to me(2 lines though ,farmers and cottiers/working class,no outcrossing between them until around 1990.) Quote Link to post
riohog 5,701 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, riohog said: proper dogs!! 1 Quote Link to post
MagyarAgar 88 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 Linebreeding, Inbreeding are techniques for the amateurs, that were state-of-the-art in the early 1900s. The real pros use genetic selection breeding programmes, less guesswork, better results. 2 Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,954 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 hours ago, bird said: Good point charts, I know bloke who married his 2nd cousin, she nice looking etc, and seems normal enough, if a person can be lol. But it does make you think about people in general, as I've known loads of people, who go with out with any one unless there fairly local to where they live and born. And what I found over the years working lurchers, nearly all farmers never marry anybody unless local not saying there inbreds lol. But feck me, when I was after a woman, I go easy 100 mile for night out, a good distance for a shag, lol. Know it was nice to go another town etc. Lined a few over the years int ya mate 1 Quote Link to post
Elchapo 3,167 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 12/06/2022 at 15:49, mC HULL said: unlike you ya little f***ing mincer i’ll turn up meet lads on me todd i don’t wear tracksuits or have. a man bag el chapo you want to put a bit a fresh saluki blood in your inbred bull x line you maybe catch something then Bull x line ? What bull cross line you little plumb ?? O shit yea forgot you think you no everything and like normal your wrong again lol Quote Link to post
Elchapo 3,167 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 12/06/2022 at 16:16, mC HULL said: i will me mouth on here Well I'll agree on that Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,512 Posted June 13, 2022 Report Share Posted June 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Elchapo said: Bull x line ? What bull cross line you little plumb ?? O shit yea forgot you think you no everything and like normal your wrong again lol get a pic of what you run up el chapo Quote Link to post
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