Brother to sister mating is it to close,

[Deerhunter1 771]

7 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

how was they bred though mate 

most strong coursing breds will kill most bambi they run up to medium sized fallow 

Not coursing bred, had a bit of saluki blood in em but not coursing bred dogs

[mC HULL 12,499]

Just now, Deerhunter1 said:

Not coursing bred, had a bit of saluki blood in em but not coursing bred dogs

i’ve seen the same mate they for teeth adding abit a sal blood won’t change that

[Deerhunter1 771]

29 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

But the thing is fella, if they're linebred off shit dogs then that's what they'll be, shit.

Yeah that’s right, but what I’m getting at is you get real good dogs both line bred & scatter bred. A lot of the talk you get from lads is because somethings scatterbred it’s like a 2nd rate lurcher, and not in the same class as a line bred dog, and that’s often not the case

[mC HULL 12,499]

13 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

It's like this, a lot of lads are breeding their coursing dogs back to pure saluki and are apparently getting good results doing so.

I'm not sure if there's and need to do so but they claim it works.

you need abit a fresh blood in there mate now and again

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

18 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

It's like this, a lot of lads are breeding their coursing dogs back to pure saluki and are apparently getting good results doing so.

I'm not sure if there's and need to do so but they claim it works.

You'll get a punch of hybrid vigour that will perk up the coursing bred line which would make sense to me. Then put that progeny back into the line of the existing stuff and you would expect to see a better dog imo.

Edited June 9, 2022 by Neobliviscaris1776

[mC HULL 12,499]

Just now, Tick Tock said:

Why though mate if you're not breeding too tight, just use an unrelated coursing bred? 

because all the lines of good coursing dogs go back to the same family a dogs 50 year ago pure is a good outcross you wouldn’t use any other breed and get the same results

[mC HULL 12,499]

2 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

Have you got the pedigrees written down of your dog and bitch, have they got a common ancestor within 4 generations?

yes a few and also litter sisters if you went back to say 8 generations there would be plenty also pure breds that are common ancestors 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

2 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

I get that mate but why not use an unrelated coursing bred?

I would say for this reason. Both breeds, the greyhound and saluki are breeds unto themselves and have thousands of years of if you like, of foundation in them or gene expression.

The Saluki/greyhound cross is a relatively new hybrid in relation to each of the breeds on their own. Although the cross has great results with its initial hybrid vigour, it will lose relatively quickly it's initial strengths over a period of time and will need a re-injection of the blood from either breeds (pure saluki or pure greyhound) in order to keep 'a line' in the position to produce animals of a similar quality to the ones that were produced in the beginning of the coursing line.

[mC HULL 12,499]

5 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

So say you have a dog and a bitch and they have a common ancestor 6 generations back, don't you think that could be deemed as an outcross without having to go back to pure?

id say yes mate differnet line so to speak but how many agmfter 6 generations haven’t got a few more than one common ancestor 

[mC HULL 12,499]

3 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

I would say for this reason. Both breeds, the greyhound and saluki are breeds unto themselves and have thousands of years of if you like, of foundation in them or gene expression.

The Saluki/greyhound cross is a relatively new hybrid in relation to each of the breeds on their own. Although the cross has great results with its initial hybrid vigour, it will lose relatively quickly it's initial strengths over a period of time and will need a re-injection of the blood from either breeds (pure saluki or pure greyhound) in order to keep 'a line' in the position to produce animals of a similar quality to the ones that were produced in the beginning of the coursing line.

id never go back to full greyhound mate i have but you loose everything you had just about 

[mC HULL 12,499]

Just now, Tick Tock said:

That's why I was asking if you have any pedigrees of any coursing dogs, it would be interesting to read them.

i’ll find pedigree of me pup soon mate post it 

[mC HULL 12,499]

even be a farther daughter mating for you die hard in breeders  

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

5 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

id never go back to full greyhound mate i have but you loose everything you had just about 

Agreed mate for the coursing you'd need to bring in saluki blood. Was just using both breeds as the example.

[dogmandont 9,821]

3 hours ago, Deerhunter1 said:

Got to disagree mate top 3 dogs I’ve seen in my life been bred from unrelated parents, my current bitch she’s bred from unrelated stuff and I’ve never seen a line bred dog that could match her for all round work, that’s just my opinion like doesn’t mean to say I’m right in all cases it’s just what I’ve seen myself and I’ve seen a fair amount of dogs run

Id probably agree with you regarding lurchers but when it comes to terriers I've never dug to a scatter bred that would put a patch on the line bred or inbred stuff. 

[dogmandont 9,821]

2 hours ago, mC HULL said:

id never go back to full greyhound mate i have but you loose everything you had just about 

Did you ever see or hear of a proper pit x saluki breeding being done, I know there's coursing bulls but I'm sure it would of been lurcher to lurcher that produced them.