Brother to sister mating is it to close,

[Aussie Whip 4,094]

1 minute ago, Tick Tock said:

That's why you need to know what you're on with and cull hard, by that I don't necessarily mean shoot the things but expel them from the gene pool.

They probably should be put down, you don't want to give someone a sickly dog. It's all too much for me to stomach plus I'm too old to start a line of dogs, lol.

[Deerhunter1 771]

All this talk of culling hard, most men I met that talk that way are more likely to breed from a jacker than cull it when you get to know them

Edited June 10, 2022 by Deerhunter1

[Deerhunter1 771]

32 minutes ago, Tick Tock said:

Which makes you ask what's the point in breeding in the first place.

Well if you breed your own at least you know the history of the bitch, and if you’re sensible you’ll have seen the stud dog run, which is more than you’ll know if you buy a pup in from someone else

[tinytiger 826]

1 hour ago, Tick Tock said:

Whatever anyone does don't mention back breeding, send folk over the edge.

Very ,very unpredictable. Can go very bad or very good.

[jeemes 4,480]

1 hour ago, Deerhunter1 said:

All this talk of culling hard, most men I met that talk that way are more likely to breed from a jacker than cull it when you get to know them

That is sadly true. A lot like to do the talk but have never actually culled anything and prefer to sell or breed from them. 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

3 hours ago, jeemes said:

A brother sister mating from which a bitch was again put back to the sire produced this dog. Like the rest of the litter he is bursting with health and vitality and hes slightly bigger than both of his parents.

A lot of what you hear about inbreeding is just that, hearsay and born out of a lack of experience and knowledge. Ignorance breeds fear.

Bonny looking dog. 

Genuinely out of interest, why would you breed pups from the same litter? You must have a reason or was that all that you had to breed from? Not having a dig, just interested to know, as inbreeding is still inbreeding and won't add anything if done continually. 

[Deerhunter1 771]

32 minutes ago, jeemes said:

That is sadly true. A lot like to do the talk but have never actually culled anything and prefer to sell or breed from them. 

That’s what I’ve seen men go on about testing dogs & how they’d never keep a jacker, then it does it in front of their eyes and they act like the ain’t seen it, or make up an injury and forget about it 

[poxon 5,724]

I personally think that tight breeding is a good thing especially if your after keeping dogs for certain jobs the odd slip back to close related blood is always a good thing at keeping the type of stamp tight of the dog/s you require for your needs without touching other peoples experiments  I think with line breeding you’ve got to really know what your at an be pretty firm an not change your goal post with what you require you gotta stay consistent with what you require an not settle for no less 

[Big Ron 1,156]

50 minutes ago, jeemes said:

That is sadly true. A lot like to do the talk but have never actually culled anything and prefer to sell or breed from them. 

We talking coursing dogs again ? 

[Big Ron 1,156]

3 hours ago, Tick Tock said:

Inbreeding won't put something there that isn't already there. If you have two sound dogs and breed them together then you will get healthy offspring.

 if you listened to some on here you would expect dogs with 2 heads each litter 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

7 minutes ago, Big Ron said:

 if you listened to some on here you would expect dogs with 2 heads each litter 

Breeding from a small gene pool of dogs will give you a smaller gene pool over time which is what you wouldn't want as physical and mental quality will be reduced over time. That's just how breeding works, similar in people. 

[tinytiger 826]

5 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Breeding from a small gene pool of dogs will give you a smaller gene pool over time which is what you wouldn't want as physical and mental quality will be reduced over time. That's just how breeding works, similar in people. 

Take a total outcross, the number of possible combinations of chromosomes is almost 550 billion (39 multiplied by itself 39 times).putting a brother to a sister would half that,but at the same time you may have inherited the bad genes/faults from both sides and every time you breed the line/cross into itself ,you run the risk of dodgy recessive genes meeting their counterpart..also true for desirable traits though.

[jeemes 4,480]

1 hour ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Bonny looking dog. 

Genuinely out of interest, why would you breed pups from the same litter? You must have a reason or was that all that you had to breed from? Not having a dig, just interested to know, as inbreeding is still inbreeding and won't add anything if done continually. 

If you have a seriously good dog in your kennel and you want to keep that, then you need to breed in and in. Yes you will get improved stock aswell. We were lucky to have a brother and sister that were equal in work and also came from exceptional parents. 

Do you breed yourself? Have you bred close relatives? Just wondering where you are getting your ideas from.

[C.green 3,229]

Anyone done close breeding and seen any negatives ? I seen two litters chuck pups with bad mouths like badly undershot/overshot

[mC HULL 12,308]

5 hours ago, jeemes said:

A brother sister mating from which a bitch was again put back to the sire produced this dog. Like the rest of the litter he is bursting with health and vitality and hes slightly bigger than both of his parents.

A lot of what you hear about inbreeding is just that, hearsay and born out of a lack of experience and knowledge. Ignorance breeds fear.

it’s got it tongue on the floor just walking so both brother and sister were that good you needed to breed em together then a pup back to the sire crazy times