R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I'm surprised the old 'brick' hasn't been on here with a claim to be able to catch hares by the hundred already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Ideation - fair comments. Constructive. I'll always listen to others but if i disagree i'll say so. Suppose i'll always stick up for the breed Cheers, sorry for the rant earlier got out of bed on the wrong side today Anyone fancy hare for tea? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Nothing worse than a hare in yer tea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hedz31 1,308 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 really what is the problem , a lot of dogmen crying over a scabby?? i shoot them on sight but i am lucky enough to have lots round me , while driving up the A1 the other day i saw quite a few lads walking the fields and coursing stuff in full view of the motorway , now who are the thick fucks if they cant even keep it under wraps and moan like little bitches when it comes on top . Yeah but your a failed dogman anyway aint ye that's common knowledge :laugh: have i ever proclaimed to be a dogman?? find me a post that states so , anyway hedz havent you got some arse kissing to do elsewhere or will they be along shortly ? a good hare is a shot hare end off I aint gotta kiss arse mate i keep terrier's and hound's more so, they keep running dog's aint kissing arse how ye got the 1 ye failed with :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Ideation - fair comments. Constructive. I'll always listen to others but if i disagree i'll say so. Suppose i'll always stick up for the breed Cheers, sorry for the rant earlier got out of bed on the wrong side today Anyone fancy hare for tea? Not a problem And they don't taste that good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,687 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hahaha......killing snobbery of the type only to be found in the very best stalking circles!!! Everyone should do as they see fit, but don't slate anyone who is doing their thing to the best of their ability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,330 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well as I said on a thread somewhere earlier, possibly the one that initiated this one if hares are being shot in large numbers year in year out then something is obviously working. That said I've never shot a hare and I can honestly say I would feel nauseated/guilty whatever if I stood in a line and shot hares driven towards me, however in the numbers mentioned the hare does cease to be a sporting animal and become a pest. I must be an old school dogman for I genuinely think the hare is deserving of better than meeting its end at the hands of someone who would probablyderive as much pleasure capping clays. That's not a slur on shooting men for there are many running dog men who regardless of what is said don't give the hare due respect either. When situations dictate and numbers have to be controlled/reduced much as it pains me to say it, shooting is a viable option. My own personal opinion is though, much as people say it's just another quarry species, no different from rabbits/pheasants etc I disagree, a hare is in a class of its own and is far to much of an athlete to meet its end toddling over the brow ofa hill into a facefull of shot. I'm not a religious man, but if there is a god, he didn't create hares to be despatched this way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I blame the muslims 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Ideation - fair comments. Constructive. I'll always listen to others but if i disagree i'll say so. Suppose i'll always stick up for the breed Cheers, sorry for the rant earlier got out of bed on the wrong side today Anyone fancy hare for tea? OK I could have been somewhat more explanatory in my reply "prey drive " is only part of a group of drives that can be harnessed within a dog,There is a distinct difference in a dogs behaviour and demeanour when the prey or hunt drives are triggered in its most simplistic imagine a pack of wolves tracking a prey item the prey drive is not engaged the hunt drive is as they are searching with their other senses for their meal and are receptive to outside influence once the meal is sighted though prey drive takes over smell/noise is irelevant sight alone will do, focus is held on the item in question and outside influence is ignored. the hunt can take a long time so it would serve no purpose being in a heightened state such as when prey is engaged infact it would just waste energy so when hunting a more relaxed and calm attitude is taken this being the state we harness and use in gundogs the hunt drive not the prey drive. if you look at the dogs demeanour a sight hound engaging prey will be head/up tail down and tense where as a gundog engaging hunt will be relaxed head down/tail up gundogs do without doubt have prey drive but it is not as honed as in many other breeds hence my statement that they are well down the list, do they excel in their other drives well yes when it comes to the retrieve/hunt/play/ball and pack drives they are at the top of their game As many will know on here I would defend gundogs to the last but when it comes to this the reality is they don't compare Edited February 27, 2012 by danw 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RossM 8,119 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Large scale population reduction is becoming more and more common around here. The reason for that is the ongoing battle with poachers who seem to think that it's OK to cut fences, drive through gates, take vehicles onto growing crops and then just throw away the hares they catch. Sometimes the running dog fraternity are their own worst enemy. It's hard to get permission to use running dogs on rabbits around here just because the minority take advantage. When you've experienced the level of relentless criminality associated with running dogs around here you can't blame the farmers for wanting reduce the hare population to try and discourage them from visiting. This one is a very good point! Dog men abusing others property and sport in their attempts to prolong chasing illegal prey whatever the consequences. its not your average joe driving the fields mate its the do as you likeys Agree, whatever happened to "go where you go, and nobody need know" its not fair that all dogmen have been stereotyped into the every kills a thrill category, I can still go out and no one would have known I was there, it's the type that, damage property leave what they kill in full public view etc that's caused the loss of others great permission when the genuine lad out for the pot has done nowt wrong, them that slip mob handed and make a mess that's putting every dog man in the public eye, please don't tar all as with the same brush people. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masmiffy 82 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Wow, 9 pages. We should have run a sweep. Its still going Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masmiffy 82 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Large scale population reduction is becoming more and more common around here. The reason for that is the ongoing battle with poachers who seem to think that it's OK to cut fences, drive through gates, take vehicles onto growing crops and then just throw away the hares they catch. Sometimes the running dog fraternity are their own worst enemy. It's hard to get permission to use running dogs on rabbits around here just because the minority take advantage. When you've experienced the level of relentless criminality associated with running dogs around here you can't blame the farmers for wanting reduce the hare population to try and discourage them from visiting. This one is a very good point! Dog men abusing others property and sport in their attempts to prolong chasing illegal prey whatever the consequences. its not your average joe driving the fields mate its the do as you likeys Agree, whatever happened to "go where you go, and nobody need know" its not fair that all dogmen have been stereotyped into the every kills a thrill category, I can still go out and no one would have known I was there, it's the type that, damage property leave what they kill in full public view etc that's caused the loss of others great permission when the genuine lad out for the pot has done nowt wrong, them that slip mob handed and make a mess that's putting every dog man in the public eye, please don't tar all as with the same brush people. No one is saying all dog men are the same but some people just go too far in pursuit of their chosen sport. People have voiced on this thread their 'respect for the quarry' surely respect for peoples property and land goes along with it, or am I missing something? I am happy to thin out hares on the ground I shoot over when asked as for 'wiping them out' that isnt an option, nor with rabbits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Work them hard 339 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I dont understand some of the comments on here, to say someone should not post about shooting hares because its not to your liking is rubbish, aslong as its done humanely and within the law then why should it be a problem. Like said if its not to your liking then just ignore it, Alot are starting to sound like antis! And how can it be that people see the hare as the superior animal? It may be an athlete but it is still an animal the same as a rabbit, they all deserve the same amount of respect! A number of topics on here totally disregard respect for whatever the chosen quarry which is wrong, I show just as much respect for a squirrel as i would for lets say a fox there should be no difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Work them hard 339 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 As for respect for the land thats a big problem, you are labelled a poacher if have lurchers due to the amount of idiots out there. How often do people write on the lurcher forum about how any land is theirs at night, its not just the dogmen though local to me there is a bloke who just drives whatever land he pleases including my permission, Blasting foxes with a rifle, He makes a right mess of the land. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casso 1,261 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Ideation - fair comments. Constructive. I'll always listen to others but if i disagree i'll say so. Suppose i'll always stick up for the breed Cheers, sorry for the rant earlier got out of bed on the wrong side today Anyone fancy hare for tea? OK I could have been somewhat more explanatory in my reply "prey drive " is only part of a group of drives that can be harnessed within a dog,There is a distinct difference in a dogs behaviour and demeanour when the prey or hunt drives are triggered in its most simplistic imagine a pack of wolves tracking a prey item the prey drive is not engaged the hunt drive is as they are searching with their other senses for their meal and are receptive to outside influence once the meal is sighted though prey drive takes over smell/noise is irelevant sight alone will do, focus is held on the item in question and outside influence is ignored. the hunt can take a long time so it would serve no purpose being in a heightened state such as when prey is engaged infact it would just waste energy so when hunting a more relaxed and calm attitude is taken this being the state we harness and use in gundogs the hunt drive not the prey drive. if you look at the dogs demeanour a sight hound engaging prey will be head/up tail down and tense where as a gundog engaging hunt will be relaxed head down/tail up gundogs do without doubt have prey drive but it is not as honed as in many other breeds hence my statement that they are well down the list, do they excel in their other drives well yes when it comes to the retrieve/hunt/play/ball and pack drives they are at the top of their game As many will know on here I would defend gundogs to the last but when it comes to this the reality is they don't compare its all the one drive, from the scenting aspect to finally the kill which will take a different form for a different breed, man has just manipulated the canine breeds to focus on certain elements of the hunt, it goes from the scenting locating stalking chasing catching and killing , any and all of these elements have been increased or reduced according to man wishes, to say that a labs drive is not as strong as a lurcher's is missing the point i feel, you ask a lurcher to retrieve game over and over from a sub zero lake in the middle of winter and do it with a smile on its face and he wont be long telling you to do it yourself, because its not what he's about, try getting a dog to set, which is the beginning of the stalk, if not a gun dog ,if you think a setting dog is not in drive, he is very much in drive just because he can hold that frame of the hunt longer dont mean he is any less driven than a running dog, The border collie a very driven dog , whom for the Shepard has disregarded the kill altogether, but i can see where your coming from because with sight hounds the chase and kill is paramount and the same as the kill for the terrier, We have manipulated the dog for our needs but there are some highly driven dogs who can take their drive to such a level and still be able to reference their handler much like the gun dogs , protection dogs for example where no kill is involved at all, , different strokes for different folks, but its all coming from the drive to make contact in one form or another, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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