masmiffy 82 Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Large scale population reduction is becoming more and more common around here. The reason for that is the ongoing battle with poachers who seem to think that it's OK to cut fences, drive through gates, take vehicles onto growing crops and then just throw away the hares they catch. Sometimes the running dog fraternity are their own worst enemy. It's hard to get permission to use running dogs on rabbits around here just because the minority take advantage. When you've experienced the level of relentless criminality associated with running dogs around here you can't blame the farmers for wanting reduce the hare population to try and discourage them from visiting. This one is a very good point! Dog men abusing others property and sport in their attempts to prolong chasing illegal prey whatever the consequences. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
masmiffy 82 Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I'll give it till page 7!! Managed 8 pages but aint too hopeful of more!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Dan them Malionois pups DEFINETLY know what there forte in live is , cracking link enjoyed it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 'My dog has more prey drive than your dog' What a load of crap. This place gets more and more like a junior school playground everyday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Millet 4,497 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I have not read any of this thread but i absolutly hate hearing of hare's shot with a shotgun and i aint no hare coarsing lad..my choice of coarse...it's not sporting in the slightest..i have heard folk say it's ok to slip 3 dog's on them though...BUT atleast they are dead or escape unharmed..not like the wounded shot gunned ones that drag there smashed back end's of into the wood's to die slowly.. Now if i they are shot by a good shooter with a HMR/Rimmy .243 or whatever big gun i still dont like it but i can accept it..but at the end of the day it's wrong in my eye's as they are just as easy to shoot as a slug rolled in salt... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
torchey 1,325 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Large scale population reduction is becoming more and more common around here. The reason for that is the ongoing battle with poachers who seem to think that it's OK to cut fences, drive through gates, take vehicles onto growing crops and then just throw away the hares they catch. Sometimes the running dog fraternity are their own worst enemy. It's hard to get permission to use running dogs on rabbits around here just because the minority take advantage. When you've experienced the level of relentless criminality associated with running dogs around here you can't blame the farmers for wanting reduce the hare population to try and discourage them from visiting. This one is a very good point! Dog men abusing others property and sport in their attempts to prolong chasing illegal prey whatever the consequences. its not your average joe driving the fields mate its the do as you likeys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 its not your average joe driving the fields mate its the do as you likeys I know that But, unfortunately, they are dragging everyone else down with their attitude. Oh, and I do believe that there are plenty of said 'doasyoulikeys' on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Love how so many use morals and ethics to back up a sport... I wouldn't shoot one for sport, but I'd do it to control numbers. So many say it's wrong, and if the comments on here are anything to go by, simply because they feel hares belong to them, it's their sport and no-one else has the right to touch a species they have claimed as 'theirs'. ''There's no other way to do it besides coursing!'' Yeah, maybe in your ideal world, where animals are killed for sport as opposed to being killed for a need. Arguements about driven shooting not being a sport as much as a slaughter (I agree) - But tarring everyone with the same brush with regards to crap shots is childish at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 DanW we wouldn't be using gundogs if they didn't have a high prey drive and it's as simple as that. To use a Malinois as an example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) DanW we wouldn't be using gundogs if they didn't have a high prey drive and it's as simple as that. To use a Malinois as an example. why do they need a high prey drive to do their job? (that's a genuine question,i don't know anything about pheasant shooting) any mongrel will chase a rabbit or pheasant,a high prey drive means being committed and going through pain and exhaustion to catch its prey. Edited February 26, 2012 by blan89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Rubytex - i take it you are young. Before you enter into that debate, have a think, if you culled a herd / group (whatever) of any animal, with a gun, or a dog, which will result in the healthier, stronger population, of better specimins? At the end of the day, which, the gun or the dog, will better select out the old or unwell? Been out with trophy shooters, and they always want the big lad at the front, whereas i'd be happy picking off the straggler at the back. Don't see what that's got to do with anything. The point is, why would landowners WANT a healthier and stronger population on their land? They wouldn't. When dog men say thier dogs are better off going after the weak and older quarry for the 'greater good', what does that say about the faith they have in their dogs ability? Either way, there shouldn't be a problem in how hare are hunted, be it coursed or shot. Are you a kid? The more you speak, the less clued up you sound. No offence. Your last comment is just thick. Jesus wept Ideation, are you into kids or something? I'm nowhere near being classed as a 'kid' ffs. Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't mean i'm any less than your humble self. In your other post you said it was as bad as digging cubs and shooting young rabbits. Don't be so fooking wet man! You'll be saying it's on a par with eating babies next. If there are one or two hares about then i don't see the point in killing them. If there's a big population that might be causing some problems, then get rid using the method that is allowed by law. No need to get your fanny flaps knotted about it is there? Ok. Firstly, no, not into kids. When i compared mass hare drives with digging cubs, or shooting kits, i was reffering to the fact that in some places, at some times, its needed, and someone has to do it. However, i dont (personally) believe it is something we should crow about as some kind of achievement, its just something that has to be done, is pretty piss easy, and really should leave a bit of a bad taste in the mouth of most 'sportsmen'. Now i was suggesting that you were a youngster, mainly as you make some fairly daft, not very 'thought through' comments. I don't think any less of you for it, but maybe you need to learn to button up and learn a bit. Springers do not have one of the highest prey drives in the dog world. Yes they hunt really well, but its not prey drive on par with many sighthound blooded dogs, bull blooded dogs, or particularly terrier blooded dogs. Not to mention the attack / defense breeds. Now i've spent a bit of time around gun dogs, and some very very good ones at that, and if one of ours even took one step forward out of turn, he was in the shit. Yes, they picked runners, but under very strict conditions. Chasing was a sin, i think they always saw it as just another retrieve, all be it, on a live bird. As for 'if they see game, all they want is to get it', i wouldnt agree, yes they will seek out game all day long, but you could walk them a long side the pens, and they knew they were nor working, they ignored the birds, they were not throwing themselves at the wire trying to get at them. There is no way you can compare a gun dog to a running / catch dog, its two totally different disciplines, that use animals that have been selectivly bred for generations to have certain traits needed to perform certain tasks. Spaniels are far far far easier to train to do 'spaniel things' than any other dog, it's just a fact. From day one, they are looking to please, looking up to tke a command, they love to fetch and carry, and naturally use their nose. Just like collies, who have never been given a days training, love to herd. It's in the blood. Certain other types of dogs, just want to flatten everything they meet, until you educate them not to, and chasing, catching or / and killing is always at the fore front of their mind, and you need to try to jam a bit of manners in front. Finally, i believe that you have had gun dogs for a limited time, and despite them looking like a pair of crackers and you obviously doing well with them. When folk like dan try to give you some info, advice, thoughts on them. I'd listen up, you might learn something. Now chill out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Wow, 9 pages. We should have run a sweep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Aye mate, and i been aiming for ten. . . . . . Double spacing might help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Aye mate, and i been aiming for ten. . . . . . Double spacing might help? :laugh: Sod it, lets go the whole hog and aim for a fifteen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 If it's worth fifteen. . . . it's got to be worth twenty. Now where's marki brick when you need him . . . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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