PlasticJock 539 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 There hares, theres millions of them... If I was out with a dog I'd course them, if I was out on the lamp I'd run them with a dog when legal of course.. If I was out lamping and there was plenty, I'd shoot them, if I was out during the day and flushed them I'd shoot them... If I was snaring I'd snare them, if I was out with a mates goshawk i'd fly them To me there no different than a rabbit,deer whatever there all living animals... I normally leave them, but it all depends on farmers, numbers, etc.. I think people are pretty blinkered, we all know a dog either catches or doesn't but then you get people lamping them with dogs, doubling them up, tripling them up...flinging them in ditches...pah it goes on, I've seen it most of what happens... as long as you enjoy what you do and you respect the animal so be it... Lot of fuss over a big rabbit... Agreed - to me (albeit as a shooter) they're just another animal. Even though I enjoy hunting I don't class it as a sport, if a farmer asks me to get rid of a few then so be it. If a farmer asked a dogman to do the same when it was legal, then I really don't see the difference. As I said, if an estate was shooting 'hundreds' in one day then there was definately a problem with overcrowding... So while I wouldn't go to a driven shoot for the 'sport' I'd go if I was needed, and wouldn't shed a tear because it didn't have a sporting chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,219 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Who cares, let,shooters shoot, trapper trap and dog owners run their dogs.........dog lads saying that shooters are out of hand for shooting hares is no different to stalkers saying hunting deer with lurchers is wrong....... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hares should be ran with a dog!!!!! end of story........... But that's not legal any more! Even if it was, are you seriously suggesting that 3 or 4 hundred hares could be taken in one day by dogs? im a shooter and if i was asked to control hares with the kinda of numbers being mentioned i would get the quad a lamp man and a rifle a couple of nights work and you would have 100's bagged humanely and with usable carcass's(head shots) quarry treated with respect same as every creature i hunt, driven hare shoots are wrong on lots of levels that's why emotions run high What makes you think that shotgun shot hares are not 'usable'? Millions of gamebirds are shot each year with shotguns and their carcasses find their way on to dining tables accross europe. Why is the hare any different? I think that on a recent hare thread in the shooting section it was mentioned that the game dealer came at lunchtime to collect the hares. Do you seriously think that they would do that if the carcass was of no use? Lots of people on here saying that shooting hares with shotguns is not humane, which is utter bollocks. As Ian says, running dogs rarely kill hares as soon as they catch them, they either crunch them (damaging the carcass) or they try and carry them back. Either way, no more inhumane than the odd wounded hare on a driven day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 There hares, theres millions of them... If I was out with a dog I'd course them, if I was out on the lamp I'd run them with a dog when legal of course.. If I was out lamping and there was plenty, I'd shoot them, if I was out during the day and flushed them I'd shoot them... If I was snaring I'd snare them, if I was out with a mates goshawk i'd fly them To me there no different than a rabbit,deer whatever there all living animals... I normally leave them, but it all depends on farmers, numbers, etc.. I think people are pretty blinkered, we all know a dog either catches or doesn't but then you get people lamping them with dogs, doubling them up, tripling them up...flinging them in ditches...pah it goes on, I've seen most of what happens... as long as you enjoy what you do and you respect the animal so be it... Lot of fuss over a big rabbit... The Difference being Ian is they Dont breed like Rabbits. Once a Healthy Population of Hares are decimated in any said location they dont recover like Rabbits can. What rubbish. There are plenty of estates in East Anglia where hundreds of hares have been shot year in year out. If they didn't recover their numbers how would that happen? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Where are you getting your facts from there Max? I would expect if they were in range of a shotgun if one barrel doesn't do it the next one does. There is actual Video footage out there of Hares getting legged , on mass hare shoots and crawling away to die slow. Im all for Hunting and Sport but i could never condone Hare shooting , Never. Sorry if this pisses some off its just my Opinion. They are for Running . The Gun is Indiscriminate, it will Kill Fit and Healthy as well as old or diseased. Coursing tends to deal with the weak, the old and diseased thus giving a Healthy Stronger race of Hares after a Few seasons Coursing on any said land, Coursing is Beneficial to the Species, Shooting definatley aint. So how is a landowner supposed to control hare numbers with a ban on using dogs in place? And how do you catch 3 or 4 hundred in a day with a dog? You are talking crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 you would think that hare shoots where a new invention since the ban but the truth is they have been shot in big numbers on estates since guns where invented did the estates shooting these numbers before the ban let lads on with dogs Not a f*****g chance so just how has anyone lost out by their actions, the laughable thing is that at the moment a thread is running on here about culling deer cause there are too many of them yet no one is saying don't shoot them they need running with dogs they all want them shot just strikes me this forum as a whole is full of hypocrites. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Work them hard 339 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I dont understand how so many can just claim the rights to hares, If you have the permission shoot, trap, course or whatever as long as you are within the law and doing as the landowner wishes then sobe it. I do a bit of everything trapping, shooting, dog work. I dont really shoot hares as they arent really a problem on the areas i have permission but i have shot them in the past for the pot. Why does it matter so much on how the animal is killed along as it is humane and for good reason. I treat all my quarry with the same amount of respect be it fox rabbit etc they are all living animals so should be worthy of the same amount of respect! So many arguments break out on this forum between dogmen and shooters the simple thing is we all have our own oppinions, if you see a post that isnt to your liking eg shot hares just dont read it, instead of filling this forum with the mindless arguments that occur daily on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
long dogs 580 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Would you rather be shot dead or chased and chewed up/have your neck broken? chased as they may not catch you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think it's the mass killing. It's like a driven pheasant shooter, he isn't a hunter, he is just a shooter. Same with hare drives, it's not hunting, it's just a cull, a means to an end. Fair enough when and where it needs to be done, but taking a lot of pleasure in it, and thinking the numbers mean anything? It's pretty incredulous that lacs etc got such a hard on over coursing, and yet never really kicked up a storm over the drives. There is a definate beauty in a good course, whereas i totally fail to see anything other than unfortunate practicality in a hare drive, it's not even hard. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IanB 0 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 There hares, theres millions of them... If I was out with a dog I'd course them, if I was out on the lamp I'd run them with a dog when legal of course.. If I was out lamping and there was plenty, I'd shoot them, if I was out during the day and flushed them I'd shoot them... If I was snaring I'd snare them, if I was out with a mates goshawk i'd fly them To me there no different than a rabbit,deer whatever there all living animals... I normally leave them, but it all depends on farmers, numbers, etc.. I think people are pretty blinkered, we all know a dog either catches or doesn't but then you get people lamping them with dogs, doubling them up, tripling them up...flinging them in ditches...pah it goes on, I've seen most of what happens... as long as you enjoy what you do and you respect the animal so be it... Lot of fuss over a big rabbit... The Difference being Ian is they Dont breed like Rabbits. Once a Healthy Population of Hares are decimated in any said location they dont recover like Rabbits can. From experience I have never seen a hare population decimated, what happens is you may reduce it periodically but hares are migrants they cover large area's moving between farms and estates, they will repopulate area's from these, this happens everywhere, although the population in certain locations vary depending on land and farming practices, Its hard to compare with rabbits as there localised, there's to many variables to really compare... Where are you getting your facts from there Max? I would expect if they were in range of a shotgun if one barrel doesn't do it the next one does. There is actual Video footage out there of Hares getting legged , on mass hare shoots and crawling away to die slow. Im all for Hunting and Sport but i could never condone Hare shooting , Never. Sorry if this pisses some off its just my Opinion. They are for Running . The Gun is Indiscriminate, it will Kill Fit and Healthy as well as old or diseased. Coursing tends to deal with the weak, the old and diseased thus giving a Healthy Stronger race of Hares after a Few seasons Coursing on any said land, Coursing is Beneficial to the Species, Shooting definatley aint. Theres videos of a lot of things being done badly, especially terrier and lurcher work... most of them videos stem from anti sites and the idiots who think its good to film an animal getting tortured, this is not always the case as we know these are the minority giving the genuine hunters a bad name.. I go around with a group of farmers during the season, alternating farms every weekend, hares are flushed and shot no problem, never seen any run on yet, the same lads have lurchers and like running them, totally unbiased as to how they are taken.. A hare ran in winter single handed daytime is the most sporting method BUT were talking control..you could say exactly the same about rabbits, shooting not being sporting and deer or whatever.. As I say everyones got there beliefs...me personally as long as an animal is given respect and killed cleanly, use whatever method you prefer.. you would think that hare shoots where a new invention since the ban but the truth is they have been shot in big numbers on estates since guns where invented did the estates shooting these numbers before the ban let lads on with dogs Not a f*****g chance so just how has anyone lost out by their actions, the laughable thing is that at the moment a thread is running on here about culling deer cause there are too many of them yet no one is saying don't shoot them they need running with dogs they all want them shot just strikes me this forum as a whole is full of hypocrites. Pretty much, when you delve in people who hunt can be as bad as anti's.... in all forms of hunting, shooting,fishing there's a form of cruelty involved but that is life itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Have you been on many hare drives Jesus? Or is this just an opinion made from 'what you've heard'. And as for suggesting that anyone who shoots driven game is somehow less of a sportsman, I think a few may disagree. Ignorance and intolerance is something we all fought against. It seems that there is an enemy within. As someone else has already said; what a bunch of hypocrites, some of whom are no better than the likes of LACS, Animal Aid etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Pretty much, when you delve in people who hunt can be as bad as anti's.... in all forms of hunting, shooting,fishing there's a form of cruelty involved but that is life itself. Yep. That is one of the most astute (sp) comments I've read on here regarding hares. Far too many folks thinking that they are better than others. Live and let live. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
long dogs 580 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 me personaly i like to run them, but since shooting them is legal then weve just got to accept it and move on no point arguing about it on pc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I think it's the mass killing. It's like a driven pheasant shooter, he isn't a hunter, he is just a shooter. Same with hare drives, it's not hunting, it's just a cull, a means to an end. Fair enough when and where it needs to be done, but taking a lot of pleasure in it, and thinking the numbers mean anything? It's pretty incredulous that lacs etc got such a hard on over coursing, and yet never really kicked up a storm over the drives. There is a definate beauty in a good course, whereas i totally fail to see anything other than unfortunate practicality in a hare drive, it's not even hard. so speaking of hypocrisy 75 rabbits ferreted in a day is worth a slap on the back then? guess sometimes it's all about the numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Have you been on many hare drives Jesus? Or is this just an opinion made from 'what you've heard'. And as for suggesting that anyone who shoots driven game is somehow less of a sportsman, I think a few may disagree. Ignorance and intolerance is something we all fought against. It seems that there is an enemy within. As someone else has already said; what a bunch of hypocrites, some of whom are no better than the likes of LACS, Animal Aid etc. Now i'm not being funny, or incitful R.Docks, but you are a fairly frustrating man to have any kind of disagreement with (just looking over your previous works). SO. . . . . I grew up around shooting estates (my old man, being a well respected spaniel man) and so i have seen a good few hare shoots, but i have never shot a hare in my life, it's just not my thing, and that goes long before i ever got into running dogs myself. I was not suggesting that someone who shot driven game was 'less of a sportsman', what i said was that in my eyes (and we are all entitled to an opinion), it's just not really hunting. And firstly, for the record, i'm not a gun hater etc, i have a cabinet full of shotguns upstairs, i'm currently looking out of my window at acres upon acres of pheasant shoot, i'm out working on the shoot every week all year, and just got offered the leepering job. However, all that aside, standing in a field on a numbered peg, and trying to drop birds that are being driven over the top of you, isnt hunting. They might as well be clays, its just more interesting when it's birds. Don't get me wrong, the beaters are hunting, but the guns. . . . not in my eyes. Same with a hare drive, standing in a line, while they are driven past and you all take a shot, it's pest control (although not how i would do it if those hares needed killing), it's shooting, but i can't see it as 'hunting' or a 'sport'. It's just a neccessary job that needs doing, and i cant really see where the enjoyment comes for some folk? I'm willing to have it explained to me though? "Ignorance and intolerance is something we all fought against" ??? I assume you refer to the ban? I get the impression that actually we 'all' didn't, as i know large numbers of shooters who didnt lift a finger to change the path of the ban, and in fact see dog work as some kind of cruel, and uneccessary passtime, when the animal could just be shot instead. And to your final point, it was not really lacs, or any of that lot who were the biggest driving force behind the ban, it was the muppets who conducted themselves in a negative way, took photos of it etc and were proud. We have alwats had an emeny within, and that's why i have never felt 'as one' with most 'hunters'. So to sum up, i accept that hares sometimes need killing in large numbers, but it could be done in a better way, and i don't understand how folk can enjoy and think they are sportsmen for standing in a line shooting large, confused targets as they waltz by them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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