RossM 8,121 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I would just delete this thread before it even gets into it........... I am suprised it aint been stopped already i have my view's on it but cant be arsed to go into it the only decent shooting men are those that put the time and effort into a good deerstalk i think though Same mate, can't be arsed getting into it, I couldn't do it, but each to there own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roxyboi 64 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 No reason to delete the thread, is it not possible to discuss something in a calm manner, I would like to hear shooters views on 100's of hares being shot on 1 estate in 1 day, I find that type of slaughter unacceptable, I'd like to hear shooters justify this type of slaughter, killing for the sake of killing with no sporting element involved Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I was out in the fields today after pigeons, literally just got back. As I parked up there was a hare running down the road, and a couple in the field... Could have shot them there and then, but there was no reason to kill them so left them alone - got into the tree line, had a seat and watched them roam about the place. As a shooter I don't see problems with controlling them, but if there isn't a need to shoot something then don't. If an estate can manage to kill ''hundreds'' in one day then I'd suggest they definately had an overcrowding problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,634 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 everyman has the right to feed himself and family and every man has the right to protect whats his be it his house, food or living .no one has the right to kill hundreds of animals just because they can... theres good and bad in all warps of life including dog men and gun men. kanny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Every time a topic concerning this appears on this site it is forgotten that it is still legal to shoot hares. The numbers involved are irrelevant! If there are too many, in the landowners eyes, then surely an organised shoot to control numbers isnt a problem. If hare numbers are thin in certain parts then perhaps there should be, as has been suggested, live capture and release to help the populations out. Great idea but who is going to organise and do it! At the end of the day hare shoots have been going for years, as had coursing, one is still legal the other is not simple! A man with a gun as as much right to an hare as a man with a dog,why one is banned and the other is still legal is beyond my comprehension.I could never stand in a line shooting driven hares,its not sporting and to me is mindless slaughter.Coursing with dogs,if done in a sporting manner,is a more sporting option that recognises the prowess of the chaser and more importantly the pursued.If in the minority of cases there is no other viable option than to drive to guns,so be it,what a waste though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 You have to remember that in some areas the hare population is very high, and they cause lots of damage. In this kind of situation, the hare is not a sporting target, but a pest that needs to be controlled. Don't forget that the definition of pest is a plant or animal in the wrong place. It's rare that you see shooting folk coming on here and publicly condemning the running dog community, so why is it OK for the running dog community to openly run down shooting people just because they don't hold a quarry species in quite such high esteem? I'd love to see the lurcher that could catch 3 or 4 hundred hares in a few hours - I reckon that would be a big ask even for Markbrick or Whin :-) Some of the estates that have hare drives each year have shot hundreds every year for a long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 You have to remember that in some areas the hare population is very high, and they cause lots of damage. In this kind of situation, the hare is not a sporting target, but a pest that needs to be controlled. Don't forget that the definition of pest is a plant or animal in the wrong place. It's rare that you see shooting folk coming on here and publicly condemning the running dog community, so why is it OK for the running dog community to openly run down shooting people just because they don't hold a quarry species in quite such high esteem? I'd love to see the lurcher that could catch 3 or 4 hundred hares in a few hours - I reckon that would be a big ask even for Markbrick or Whin :-) Some of the estates that have hare drives each year have shot hundreds every year for a long time. Most people recognise the need to control a pest species,its difficult to explain to a member of the shooting fraternity,i know ive tried,but once youve tested a dog or two,over the years,on the most challenging of courses,the hare,its nearly impossible not to walk away with some sort of respect and affinity for this most noble of beasts,when you witness an hare giving the mutt the most difficult and challenging of runs,you often wish,usually after they,ve captured the hare,that it had made its escape and would be there to run another day.With a gun there is,nt the same connection and respect,its just point and shoot,hit or miss,or worse case scenario,limp away wounded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 You have to remember that in some areas the hare population is very high, and they cause lots of damage. In this kind of situation, the hare is not a sporting target, but a pest that needs to be controlled. Don't forget that the definition of pest is a plant or animal in the wrong place. It's rare that you see shooting folk coming on here and publicly condemning the running dog community, so why is it OK for the running dog community to openly run down shooting people just because they don't hold a quarry species in quite such high esteem? I'd love to see the lurcher that could catch 3 or 4 hundred hares in a few hours - I reckon that would be a big ask even for Markbrick or Whin :-) Some of the estates that have hare drives each year have shot hundreds every year for a long time. Most people recognise the need to control a pest species,its difficult to explain to a member of the shooting fraternity,i know ive tried,but once youve tested a dog or two,over the years,on the most challenging of courses,the hare,its nearly impossible not to walk away with some sort of respect and affinity for this most noble of beasts,when you witness an hare giving the mutt the most difficult and challenging of runs,you often wish,usually after they,ve captured the hare,that it had made its escape and would be there to run another day.With a gun there is,nt the same connection and respect,its just point and shoot,hit or miss,or worse case scenario,limp away wounded. Sorry you assume that shooters don't have 'the same respect' for their quarry, because they use guns? I've watched coursing and it's amazing to watch, so I know what you mean about wishing it had got away, but after my post about leaving them alone and watching them in their natural habitat it's a bit strong to suggest that there isn't a connection with shooters. With me it's not just point and shoot, hit or miss. No more than its slip and catch or slip and miss with a courser. There seems to be a lot of stereotyping... ''Dogmen are this'' and ''Shooters are that'', as hunters we have enough to put up with, perhaps if everyone stopped claiming a species as their own, or accusing others of not having an affinity with their quarry it would be easier to learn about different sports, instead of dismissing them offhand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Most people recognise the need to control a pest species,its difficult to explain to a member of the shooting fraternity,i know ive tried,but once youve tested a dog or two,over the years,on the most challenging of courses,the hare,its nearly impossible not to walk away with some sort of respect and affinity for this most noble of beasts,when you witness an hare giving the mutt the most difficult and challenging of runs,you often wish,usually after they,ve captured the hare,that it had made its escape and would be there to run another day.With a gun there is,nt the same connection and respect,its just point and shoot,hit or miss,or worse case scenario,limp away wounded. So are you suggesting that hare drives shouldn't be done because the hare is too sporting? What happens about all the damage they do if that is the case? Lot's of people get sport from rabbits, and have a great respect for the humble coney. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be shot because it's more sporting to run/net/trap them? I can see both sides of this. Years ago I used to course, and I've also been a keen beagler for many years. While I can appreciate the sporting nature of running a hare, I can also understand that when their numbers reach high levels action needs to be taken. I once had a rare old arguement with a fox hunter when I was digging out. He was of the opinion that no-one should shoot foxes for the same reasons that many on here think that hares shouldn't be shot. He was talking bollocks too. ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
irishnut 297 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 A hare is just another quarry species. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Shooters and coursers,in an ideal world,would have the same rights and priveliges to do with an hare,as they will,the dog men,for reasons beyond any form of such reason,have to all intent,lost that right.Thats the real imbalance and travesty,yet shooters crow on about the moaning dog brigade,your most fortunate you still have the rights that have been taken away from no lesser men,you still have the legality to control,in some areas,a species you class as a pest.Dog men would love the opportunity to control them legitimately and share some of the burden.So whilst this imbalance of the justice system favours one sportsman over another,take advantage of the situation and be thankfull.I wish i had as much as the poor misunderstood shooter to moan about. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tegater 789 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I withdraw my first comment. I now give this to page 5 ! Lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nod 285 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I have no trouble in shooting hares if they are causing damage then they have to go, i was on a hare shoot today, it was about 130acre farm total bag was 42 easily another 50 went through without being shot at, too far out, tucked in the rape and ran out behind or just missed, on a small farm like this, 100 hares will do some damage and even more so when they breed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Shooters and coursers,in an ideal world,would have the same rights and priveliges to do with an hare,as they will,the dog men,for reasons beyond any form of such reason,have to all intent,lost that right.Thats the real imbalance and travesty,yet shooters crow on about the moaning dog brigade,your most fortunate you still have the rights that have been taken away from no lesser men,you still have the legality to control,in some areas,a species you class as a pest.Dog men would love the opportunity to control them legitimately and share some of the burden.So whilst this imbalance of the justice system favours one sportsman over another,take advantage of the situation and be thankfull.I wish i had as much as the poor misunderstood shooter to moan about. Yes it is a travesty, but it's because of spineless polititians, 'expert' advisors, and (allegedly) public opinion, not because I think it should be illegal. You're the one that's crowing on mate, even though I shoot I think hare coursing should be allowed, and if I had any input, it would. I enjoy every countrysport, from running dogs to terriers, falconry to shooting. I only shoot exclusively because I don't have the time to look after another dog or raise and train a bird. Let's be honest - the politics of this country are so messed up everyone suffers, but personally it's getting boring being blasted because I'm in a better situation than others. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I have no trouble in shooting hares if they are causing damage then they have to go, i was on a hare shoot today, it was about 130acre farm total bag was 42 easily another 50 went through without being shot at, too far out, tucked in the rape and ran out behind or just missed, on a small farm like this, 100 hares will do some damage and even more so when they breed. I understand the farmers predicament and the need to control numbers on the land,you have exercised your rights to get out in the field and take advantage of a situation beyond your control,most likely an enjoyable day at that,the farmer would also have been grateful for the service provided,fair play to you,as a lurcher owner i wish i still had the same rights. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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