Ancient sighthounds

[Casso 1,261]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

[riohog 5,701]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

probebly agree with that , the underlying question for me is did man go to dog or did dog come to man first ?

[Casso 1,261]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

probebly agree with that , the underlying question for me is did man go to dog or did dog come to man first ?

That bud, is the 64 million dollar question, but i believe a trust just developed over time til the wolf domesticated himself ,not this wolf cub from the wild idea, but we will never know,,

[riohog 5,701]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

probebly agree with that , the underlying question for me is did man go to dog or did dog come to man first ?

That bud, is the 64 million dollar question, but i believe a trust just developed over time til the wolf domesticated himself ,not this wolf cub from the wild idea, but we will never know,,

whos need was the greatest dog or man? hunger !!

[Casso 1,261]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

probebly agree with that , the underlying question for me is did man go to dog or did dog come to man first ?

That bud, is the 64 million dollar question, but i believe a trust just developed over time til the wolf domesticated himself ,not this wolf cub from the wild idea, but we will never know,,

whos need was the greatest dog or man? hunger !!

it was a mutual i think, two species becoming united together through a common purpose, a Canoid better than the sum of the two individual parts, a perfect hunting partnership,

[riohog 5,701]

I watched a documentary on the television recently , it showed three skinny little hunter gathers armed with throwing spears walk up to a pride of lions that had just made a kill. These men shooed the lions away and proceeded to hack a hind leg of the dead animal, the said men then casually walked away the lions then returned to their kill. Those little African tribes men are surly in tune with nature.

that point is very interesting because if you can have that sort of an understanding with a wild feline then the possibilities of a understanding developing between a wild canine and man must be 10 fold,

what i mean is canines are must more trusting on a basic level, when is the last time you tried to give a moggy a tummy rub without the cat breaking down into a instinctual grab hold and bite situation, canine are much more intuitive of mans honest intentions,

man and canine grew together through a mutual desire to hunt, each understanding the others intentions on a very basic level,,

probebly agree with that , the underlying question for me is did man go to dog or did dog come to man first ?

That bud, is the 64 million dollar question, but i believe a trust just developed over time til the wolf domesticated himself ,not this wolf cub from the wild idea, but we will never know,,

whos need was the greatest dog or man? hunger !!

it was a mutual i think, two species becoming united together through a common purpose, a Canoid better than the sum of the two individual parts, a perfect hunting partnership,

over time yes , my guess is and still the case today among traditional hunter gatheres man needs dog more than dog needs man .yes the dog gets fed after a hunt ,but he is in efect sharing it with man,why? shelter, wamth, companionship ?or like you say ,, dog doesent catch game that day man does ,, so he still gets fed !!!

[skycat 6,173]

Just found this article: http://thebark.com/content/wolf-who-stayed?page=4

[BLACKWATER... 157]

dogs are better hunters so mqan would had pinched of him when times were hard and folowed his kills vice versa , some on hear if yo never has tescos the dog would be starved lol so would the man ,

[Tsayad 88]

dogs are better hunters so mqan would had pinched of him when times were hard and folowed his kills vice versa , some on hear if yo never has tescos the dog would be starved lol so would the man ,

 

That's open to challenge....

 

Man developed techniques that permitted him to kill game that was too large for your average canine to hunt succesfully, and in numbers.

 

Think of the hunting strategy of some canines, whereby some pack members "herd" (it's the same instinct that we exploit in our stock-herding dogs) prey into an ambush by other pack members. Humans may not have the speed and stamina of canines, but their tools, weapons, pits and snares enable them to kill larger game with less risk. How did canines learn to herd prey to humans as they would to stronger pack-members? That's speculation, but it's certain that they did.

[desertbred 5,490]

The canine domesticated man LOL what other animal has young then transfers the responsibility over to man to raise it and feed it for the rest of its life besides may be the cat.

[riohog 5,701]

The canine domesticated man LOL what other animal has young then transfers the responsibility over to man to raise it and feed it for the rest of its life besides may be the cat.

thats mans choice

[Casso 1,261]

dogs are better hunters so mqan would had pinched of him when times were hard and folowed his kills vice versa , some on hear if yo never has tescos the dog would be starved lol so would the man ,

 

That's open to challenge....

 

Man developed techniques that permitted him to kill game that was too large for your average canine to hunt succesfully, and in numbers.

 

Think of the hunting strategy of some canines, whereby some pack members "herd" (it's the same instinct that we exploit in our stock-herding dogs) prey into an ambush by other pack members. Humans may not have the speed and stamina of canines, but their tools, weapons, pits and snares enable them to kill larger game with less risk. How did canines learn to herd prey to humans as they would to stronger pack-members? That's speculation, but it's certain that they did.

not sure where your coming from on that one bud, the pack developed solely to hunt very large animals, what else would you need a pack for, small canines dont need a pack because they mostly hunt smaller prey,

you think of elk and buffalo, not exactly easy pickings when no calves are about

canines dont ambush as such, they get the herd moving and focus in on weak or young,

we can only speculate on how man and canine hunted

[sandymere 8,263]

It paints a nice picture, early man and dog chasing game across the tundra but in reality man could well feed himself so why would he need another mouth. Early man didn’t need dogs to thrive; I posted an article that mentions this, San Bushmen in the very harsh environment of the Kalahari do very well, hunting a few times a week, in fact they spend more time socialising with friends and relatives than they do hunting.

It’s most likely that man used dogs when he became settled as a farmer/pastoralist or perhaps as a transport animal for seasonal migration as in North America etc. True hunter gatherers travel light and are unlikely to have carried puppies as well as their own young

Dogs may well have been camp followers of these earlier hunter gatherers if there ranges overlapped enough to allow enough time for the dependency to develop. Basically wolves’ would have fed on the human waste, faeces etc but it would most likely be once the human population settled that the local wolf populations would have started to develop a true interdependent relationship. It would only be with the development of a food surplus that could be used to feed dogs that the cost was reduced and a good early warning became economically worthwhile.

 

[Casso 1,261]

the problem with any of this is that we're all coming at it from different angles, Coming from a hunting point of view, i know my dog doesn't hunt with eating in mind, food as such is not his intention, he just wants to hunt , because he is driven to do it,,

when you take the food issue out of it, which i believe there was plenty for everyone, the only thing left is the hunt

i just cant believe the wolf was attracted to man just to eat his shite,,

Edited March 12, 2012 by Casso

[Casso 1,261]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/science/science-faith-and-politics-clash-over-wolves-in-wisconsin.html?_r=2&ref=science

 

found this ,thought it was interesting how the wolf was viewed by the native American, a symbiotic relationship in it's true form