Ancient sighthounds

[birddog 1,354]

if i were early man i wouldn't fancy my chances of keeping a wolf pack at bay whilst i helped myself to their prize. for me it makes sense that the lower ranked more docile members of the pack that cleaned up the easy pickings from early man learned their offspring that docility around man was a good thing and that it was a long gradual proccess. my dogs lying here after their morning walk / hunt still warn me of strangers (the postie, the inlaws etc) whilst still remain docile and recognise the easy pickings to be had around my camp

[miles 227]

Interesting thread, how were wolfs first domesticated? Look at the Belyaev Experiment with Arctic Foxes.

 

Wild foxes that would savage you if you put your hand in the cage..... to docile domestic pets in a few short years by selective breeding The colours even started to change from the standard summer/winter coats.

 

All domestic breeds of dogs , even the saluki, are genetically proven to directly descend from the wolf......................saluki and sloughi.?........ regional variations on a theme

 

For me evolution is the only game in town, having said that there are ancient stones in Peru with carvings so intricate and the stone so hard, a modern mason with the latest laser cutting equipment couldn't even begin to attempt

Edited February 22, 2012 by miles

[birddog 1,354]

Interesting thread, how were wolfs first domesticated? Look at the Belyaev Experiment with Arctic Foxes.

 

Wild foxes that would savage you if you put your hand in the cage..... to docile domestic pets in a few short years by selective breeding The colours even started to change from the standard summer/winter coats.

 

All domestic breeds of dogs , even the saluki, are genetically proven to directly descend from the wolf......................saluki and sloughi.?........ regional variations on a theme

 

For me evolution is the only game in town, having said that there are ancient stones in Peru with carvings so intricate and the stone so hard, a modern mason with the latest laser cutting equipment couldn't even begin to attempt

maybe its a long slow process and the rocks when they were originally carved were softer and through time have dried, aged and hardened

[2Painless2btrue 11]

Nice thread on pig DNA Skycat! I think that the sex drive is stronger in dogs than the drive to hunt. How did primitive man keep his bitch confined in a cave? 24 hour guard? I couldn't manage it! If Darwin was right, how did Neanderthal man who was stronger than us and had a bigger brain, die out to be replaced by us? Evolution? Survival of the fittest? It doesn't wash I'm afraid! It appears that the upper layers of the pyramids were cast concrete by the way.... good stuff too, far better than ours! easier than employing thousands of slaves to drag hewn blocks to the top! Check it out before you laugh! all in sport , Painless

[riohog 5,725]

Interesting thread, how were wolfs first domesticated? Look at the Belyaev Experiment with Arctic Foxes.

 

Wild foxes that would savage you if you put your hand in the cage..... to docile domestic pets in a few short years by selective breeding The colours even started to change from the standard summer/winter coats.

 

All domestic breeds of dogs , even the saluki, are genetically proven to directly descend from the wolf......................saluki and sloughi.?........ regional variations on a theme

 

For me evolution is the only game in town, having said that there are ancient stones in Peru with carvings so intricate and the stone so hard, a modern mason with the latest laser cutting equipment couldn't even begin to attempt

think there is some reaserch , into the forerunners of salukis and the most likely candidate was the abysinian wolf ;

[miles 227]

Aggressive fox, treated and reared exactly the same way, so genetic rather that nuture.

 

[birddog 1,354]

are or were wolves entirely global? is there not a theory some dogs come from wolves and others from wild dogs?

[Born Hunter 17,788]

Have you looked up Cuviers CV? Impressive I thought! But suppressed by TPTB like so many things unfortunately. Yes Darwin was an amateur and no, my Grandfather wasn't a Physicist, he was a Docker. Don't know if he bred smart dogs! Where did you get Aliens and The Creator from? Cuvier was worried that he would upset the Church with his theories, which have masses of evidence to support them, unlike Darwin.

 

I'm not a geologist so bear with me with these theories.

Just had a gander at this Cuvier chap and his theories on geology seem reasonable, I don't see how they are in contradiction with any other but I see how it fits into your initial nonesense. All it realy shows it that there have been catastrophic events in history nohing else! As for him being afraid of upsetting the church I didnt get that impression, more that he was afraid of not being taken seriously by the scientific community if his findings supported creationism.

 

So back to topic. Where's the archeological evidence for these 'pre-catastrophe' labs? The world would have to be damn near destroyed for all evidence of modern humans to be wiped from existence and we find plenty of evidence of species that have lived before previous catastrophes. So where's the evidence to support your nonesense?

Edited February 22, 2012 by Born Hunter

[birddog 1,354]

Aggressive fox, treated and reared exactly the same way, so genetic rather that nuture.

 

aggressive? looked more nervous or timid to me

[Casso 1,261]

if i were early man i wouldn't fancy my chances of keeping a wolf pack at bay whilst i helped myself to their prize. for me it makes sense that the lower ranked more docile members of the pack that cleaned up the easy pickings from early man learned their offspring that docility around man was a good thing and that it was a long gradual proccess. my dogs lying here after their morning walk / hunt still warn me of strangers (the postie, the inlaws etc) whilst still remain docile and recognise the easy pickings to be had around my camp

we are talking about a situation where man and wolf would have followed the herd , thousands of animals involved , think about the bison in north america vast herds, and prey to both wolf and man,

[2Painless2btrue 11]

Selective Breeding is not Evolution. So, docile Wolves spontaineously lose their physical 'type' and diversify into the thousands of dog breeds that we recognize today, with never a throwback to the original Wolf- type in a litter? Give me a break! Something else was going on guys! If that type of mutation was normal then Wolf packs wouldn't be so uniform, they would be a motley crew! Why are we so arrogant as to think that the genetic engineering that we can do today wasn't available to OUR ancestors. Forget BHs aliens, we don't need them!

[Flipper_Al 1,012]

Nice thread on pig DNA Skycat! I think that the sex drive is stronger in dogs than the drive to hunt. How did primitive man keep his bitch confined in a cave? 24 hour guard? I couldn't manage it! If Darwin was right, how did Neanderthal man who was stronger than us and had a bigger brain, die out to be replaced by us? Evolution? Survival of the fittest? It doesn't wash I'm afraid! It appears that the upper layers of the pyramids were cast concrete by the way.... good stuff too, far better than ours! easier than employing thousands of slaves to drag hewn blocks to the top! Check it out before you laugh! all in sport , Painless

 

Do you really think the need to breed, is stronger than the need to eat.....?

 

And selective breeding, was old school genetic engineering

 

http://www.fsteiger.com/Egyptian_concrete_theory.html

Edited February 22, 2012 by Flipper_Al

[miles 227]

Interesting thread, how were wolfs first domesticated? Look at the Belyaev Experiment with Arctic Foxes.

 

Wild foxes that would savage you if you put your hand in the cage..... to docile domestic pets in a few short years by selective breeding The colours even started to change from the standard summer/winter coats.

 

All domestic breeds of dogs , even the saluki, are genetically proven to directly descend from the wolf......................saluki and sloughi.?........ regional variations on a theme

 

For me evolution is the only game in town, having said that there are ancient stones in Peru with carvings so intricate and the stone so hard, a modern mason with the latest laser cutting equipment couldn't even begin to attempt

think there is some reaserch , into the forerunners of salukis and the most likely candidate was the abysinian wolf ;

 

Yes Ray, the saluki WOULD have to have its own special wolf :laugh:

[Born Hunter 17,788]

Selective Breeding is not Evolution. So, docile Wolves spontaineously lose their physical 'type' and diversify into the thousands of dog breeds that we recognize today, with never a throwback to the original Wolf- type in a litter? Give me a break! Something else was going on guys! If that type of mutation was normal then Wolf packs wouldn't be so uniform, they would be a motley crew! Why are we so arrogant as to think that the genetic engineering that we can do today wasn't available to OUR ancestors. Forget BHs aliens, we don't need them!

 

It's not arrogance, it's a complete lack of evidence you plum! Where are all these labs? If they were that advanced there would be evidence, something would remain of them even after a catastrophe. And if evolution is impossible and any change in anatomy would result in death, as your idol suggests, then how the hell did we come to be in the first place? You keep telling us we are wrong but can't prove it! It's typical conspiracy bollocks!

[riohog 5,725]

surely early man did preety much what we do today selective breeding for certain traits to suit his needs ;