paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 OK, I've not had the experience of breeding a line from scratch, starting with pure breeds. The rough line I got into 25 years ago had already been lurcher to lurcher bred for umpteen generations when I got my first pup from that line, so I'd imagine that the type, through careful breeding, had already stabilized to more or less how I've kept it since then. I can understand that there would be a lot more size variation if you started with two first crosses where their parents were of very different sizes. dont get me wrong most were between 24 and 26 which is what i would normally expect but 2 from 8 were small, obviously threw towards the whippit in the bitch, the problem now is ive got to breed again this year as my youngest dog here has just turned 4, do i put him across his auntie and breed true to line or outcross to pure or 3/4 cross as poacher says? Or you could put his sire back to a 3/4 and have a pup out of that .........(I was all ways under the imprssion if you got a dog worth breeding of that`s at the top of his game go back to his sire) ....And as you have him in your yard it should be your first choice ..... if thats what you want in your next dog .........but if the son is better then the sire then put him back to the aunt if she is his sire`s equal that is if not its just a wast of time and effert on the dogs part ........ or just go and get a pup from MM who you had flash of in the first place 8 years is a long time and thay may look a world away from 8 year ago and and the hight dont look a prb so flash`s line will have been bettered and bred off approven a bitch.... as long as the dog you end up with is better than what you have got it has to be worth a go..... ive been asked a few times to put my dog over a few bitch`s but have allways said if that`s the dog your looking for use his sire .....but its all about the dog with me not the cash not a go at you just breeders in gen .....as you can only water the magic down so far then its gone........ atb x38 you have chosen the 'ignore your internet stalker button' all post will be directed to an appropriate advisor thought so .......loved the breed true to line bit you bread from what you had in your yard at the time you have chosen the 'ignore your internet stalker button' all post will be directed to an appropriate advisor Quote Link to post
FUJI 17,327 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. 1 Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. because that would mean brother to sister mating hence better son to auntie. edited 2 add i have the sire and the son. a mate owns the litter sisters to the father. if that makes sense, and as for my internet stalkers comment below. the bitch here is 12 years old and i dont believe i mentioned using a bitch i owned Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. because that would mean brother to sister mating hence better son to auntie but she`s a pet.. ...dont forget the button Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. because that would mean brother to sister mating hence better son to auntie but she`s a pet.. ...dont forget the button you have chosen the 'ignore your internet stalker button' all post will be directed to an appropriate advisor Quote Link to post
x38 179 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. because that would mean brother to sister mating hence better son to auntie. edited 2 add i have the sire and the son. a mate owns the litter sisters to the father. if that makes sense, and as for my internet stalkers comment below. the bitch here is 12 years old and i dont believe i mentioned using a bitch i owned Nore did I ......As you no that would be son back to dam..... Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 X38 is also right, in that if you know of a dog that is that good that you want to use it... Then look to it's Sire first, if its still around. Yep...as my mate who has done abit in this game always states why have half (offspring) when the full (sire) is still alive if thats the case? It's definately got to be thought of that way for sure imo? ATB Andy. because that would mean brother to sister mating hence better son to auntie. edited 2 add i have the sire and the son. a mate owns the litter sisters to the father. if that makes sense, and as for my internet stalkers comment below. the bitch here is 12 years old and i dont believe i mentioned using a bitch i owned Nore did I ......As you no that would be son back to dam..... you have chosen the 'ignore your internet stalker button' all post will be directed to an appropriate advisor Quote Link to post
birddog 1,354 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 i think probably my best worker over the years was bitza to bitza and imo there seems to be more variation from pup to pup, i'm not talking about line bred stuff where i know its more reliable, on a 1st or 2nd cross i think you can be more sure of what your gonna get ie greyhound collie maybe the pups will vary a bit but they mostly all carry a bit of collie and a bit of greyhound. just my opinion Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 i think probably my best worker over the years was bitza to bitza and imo there seems to be more variation from pup to pup, i'm not talking about line bred stuff where i know its more reliable, on a 1st or 2nd cross i think you can be more sure of what your gonna get ie greyhound collie maybe the pups will vary a bit but they mostly all carry a bit of collie and a bit of greyhound. just my opinion sounds spot on to me mate my last litter was bitza to a 3/4 and the litter did suffer from litter variation Quote Link to post
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