Bull Breed Owner's..

[nitestalker 28 209]

Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt?

 

 

Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise?

 

Well the fact you are basing your selection of the worlds greatest canine athlete on the colour of its fur........suggests to me you are not an ideal candidate for such a fine animal.....after all dogs dont choose their owners.

No i have never been a fan of apbt,s being kept in family pet homes......i accept some folk do just like i accept some folk keep racing greyhounds in family pet homes.....i dont think thats ideal either........im not talking about working dogs im talking about sporting dogs.....the apbt was never bred as a working dog it was bred specifically for a sport that just doesnt fit neatly into family pet living in my opinion........

Exactly what qualities does an apbt possess that a wee Staffie doesnt ?....what makes an apbt a better family pet ?................................there are literally hundreds of breeds that make good family pets,why choose one that doesnt really fit the bill......................

Besides which..............in many years around this breed ive never heard of or seen a grey one

i have had lots of staffs and just think they are thick i find pits more intellegent tats my view it depends wat ur dog is bred out of ive had pits from gud working stuff tat i jus wud not have round my kids or other pets but if got from parents that dont work u will have a strong companion 90% of these so called staffs have pit blood in there make up when you see a staff 16 or 17 inches its not a staff as there not bred to that size these days its all down to personal choice of what dog you keep as a pet ive seen more russels collies poms & yorkies that would bite kids while these so called savage pits wud lie around getting pulled roughed up and not a problem im not sayin tat there has not been savage attacks and deaths but you cant say tat all pits or bull bred dogs are the same as its completly un true i have been around every sort of bull bred dog you can think of worker pet and everything else and so hav a lot of mates and there has never been an attack or a bite ever fact Edited February 27, 2012 by nitestalker 28

[nitestalker 28 209]

Gnash Greyhounds make Great Family pets .

 

Im sure they do......but if they could talk they would tell you they would rather be running round a race track than sitting eating sweets on the sofa........dogs dont choose their owners........but hey i forgot....its what WE want that counts eh.

IMHO, anyone who allows their dogs on the sofa or lets them eat sweets is doing their dogs no favours, pets or otherwise.

agree completly mate i have mine well socailised but sleep and live outdoors thats just my way atb

[Moll. 1,770]

the fact that the task the apbt was bred for involves such a highly driven dog of such physical prowess makes it dangerous in the wrong hands or in the wrong situations.....................or both............and this is not something that happened centuries ago we,re only talking 30/40 years ago when this breed was predominantly a fighting dog and rarely kept as pets..........

 

I completely understand where you are coming from, and am also aware that unless something has actually happened to you (You as in a collective, not you personally) you cannot imagine how things can be, if someone has only ever owned a very friendly bull terrier then they will never comprehend the opposite. But i think the opposite scenario can also apply.

[antg 1,777]

one that was worth feeding but an exception to the rule!

Edited February 28, 2012 by antg

[Guest mrpit]

apbt great breed but not for everyone

[The Duncan 802]

Very nice looking dog antg

[gnasher16 30,176]

Nothing wrong with having some passion about a subject Gnash, and I do respect you for it.

1. I had friends with PBT's before the ban and they had some greys. I got to know the dogs fairly well, good and bad.

2. I'm not looking for a perfect family pet. I feel any dog can make a good family pet, but I'm not after a pot-licker and nor is the wife who's wanted one for years (also an experienced dog lady). This is all hypothetical anyway, as in the states, a pbt that we would get would be hunting as well as being a family pet.

I've got no qualms about saying this hypothetical pit bull would be our first, just as we had to have our first staff, first ridgeback, first rotty, first GSD etc. If you can handle, train and understand dogs, dealing with the first of any breed isn't a problem is it?

You must have had a first pbt at some point - you weren't born having had one, after all.

 

Cheers

 

Duncan

 

I think the grey you refer to is probably blue.....however its not a colour associated with the apbt more a showbred amstaff type thing....you say you was around the breed 20 years ago and there wasnt any blues around then certainly not from performance stock.

Anyway i feel i should probably apologise,you sound a good responsible dog owner and im sure you would do just fine with one id certainly rather someone like yourself own one than the the paki/street hoodlum type that seem to have got their hands on them lately.

My problem is i still see the breed in all its old glory when the reality is 95% of the breed is a watered down version of the breed i loved so i should probably have let it go by now ....i guess its like a woman you once loved and shared time and grew with even though you cant have her you dont want anyone else to have her either :laugh:

However i do think ive got a pretty deep insight into these dogs and can see where problems arise......one problem being a point that was made earlier comparing to Dalmations etc.......These apbt,s around us today are only 5 or 6 generations removed from the dogs that came out of the pit and made there name there.....dogs like Jeep,Mayday,Chinaman,Tombstone,Redboy,Alligator were dogs from very recent in historical terms,barely 30/40 years......and these dogs are in the back of todays dogs pedigrees so the source of todays dogs still have a very fresh and rich genetic heritage of dogs bred purely based on how they could fight NOT how they performed as family pet dogs......that makes them different from other dogs bred for purpose such as Dalmations who are much further down the line etc......Put a Dalmation next to a horse and cart and it wont know what to do......put an apbt ( even a crap one ) next to another apbt and it will instinctively know exactly what to do !...........this is something i feel needs to be kept at the forefront of a potential owners mind.....there are so many reasons why they do not make good family pet dogs i just dont see the point in people getting a purpose bred dog then turning it into something else....get the right dog in the first place.....anyway like i say todays dogs are a very diluted form of the real thing....and the real thing you wont get your hands on anyway as that 5% left are mostly in safe and capable hands.....good luck to you either way

Edited February 28, 2012 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,176]

Well.as been a longstanding owner of Mainly Racing But- and Coursing Greyhounds i can Tell you once there Careers have finished for what ever Reason they take to the House as good and probably better then MOST so called PET breeds.

They are Generally healthier = less Vets bills as the breed is near perfect if not perfect. None of your inbred KC breed faults.

Two or Three 10-15 minute strolls per day will suffice.

Believe it or not most, not all but most can be trained quite quickly to be cat friendly ect.

Imo anyone wanting a House dog look no further.

Ps i do agree not to feed them crap, Gain 20-28% dry food will suffice once retired.

Those are FACTS.

 

We,re not talking about retired racers.....i totally agree with you,hence ive donated to the retired greyhound trust many times.......

We,re talking about a performance bred dog being used as a pet INSTEAD of a racer.............as far as im aware theres not a retired pit bull trust where ex fighters live out a happy life in the home................there is for greyhounds and thats great..............but it still doesnt excuse putting any performance bred dog into the family home from day 1 to cope with the strains and stresses of being a family pet IN PREFERENCE to being where that dog really wants to be.

Edited February 28, 2012 by gnasher16

[Moll. 1,770]

one problem being a point that was made earlier comparing to Dalmations etc.......These apbt,s around us today are only 5 or 6 generations removed from the dogs that came out of the pit were dogs from very recent in historical terms,barely 30/40 years......that makes them different from other dogs bred for purpose such as Dalmations who are much further down the line etc......Put a Dalmation next to a horse and cart and it wont know what to do......put an apbt ( even a crap one ) next to another apbt and it will instinctively know exactly what to do !...........this is something i feel needs to be kept at the forefront of a potential owners mind.....there are so many reasons why they do not make good family pet dogs i just dont see the point in people getting a purpose bred dog then turning it into something else....get the right dog in the first place.....anyway like i say todays dogs are a very diluted form of the real thing....and the real thing you wont get your hands on anyway as that 5% left are mostly in safe and capable hands.....good luck to you either way

 

God you are hard work

 

Or perhaps i should stop talking in riddles That is what i said....when i said you wouldn't take a Husky/Arctic etc

[123456 146]

Gnasher I don't know why your wasting your time replying... You can't educate pork

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Well.as been a longstanding owner of Mainly Racing But- and Coursing Greyhounds i can Tell you once there Careers have finished for what ever Reason they take to the House as good and probably better then MOST so called PET breeds.

They are Generally healthier = less Vets bills as the breed is near perfect if not perfect. None of your inbred KC breed faults.

Two or Three 10-15 minute strolls per day will suffice.

Believe it or not most, not all but most can be trained quite quickly to be cat friendly ect.

Imo anyone wanting a House dog look no further.

Ps i do agree not to feed them crap, Gain 20-28% dry food will suffice once retired.

Those are FACTS.

 

We,re not talking about retired racers.....i totally agree with you,hence ive donated to the retired greyhound trust many times.......

We,re talking about a performance bred dog being used as a pet INSTEAD of a racer.............as far as im aware theres not a retired pit bull trust where ex fighters live out a happy life in the home................there is for greyhounds and thats great..............but it still doesnt excuse putting any performance bred dog into the family home from day 1 to cope with the strains and stresses of being a family pet IN PREFERENCE to being where that dog really wants to be.

 

I see where you are coming from now with regards your earlier comment on greyhounds. Like max I was a bit perplexed by it initialy. I have spent a bit of time around racing greyhounds and in my experience your comment is 100% bang on. Every ounce of them exists for the chase, such a perfect athlete would be better off dead than condemned to a life without being able to express it's true nature.

[gnasher16 30,176]

I see where you are coming from now with regards your earlier comment on greyhounds. Like max I was a bit perplexed by it initialy. I have spent a bit of time around racing greyhounds and in my experience your comment is 100% bang on. Every ounce of them exists for the chase, such a perfect athlete would be better off dead than condemned to a life without being able to express it's true nature.

 

We park our cars in the same lot .......I cant speak for greyhounds as i dont have much experience with them......but as regards the apbt,i would rather they simply died out and no longer exist as a breed rather than watch them end up a fashion statement or a piece of home furniture like some breeds.........

[Born Hunter 17,775]

I see where you are coming from now with regards your earlier comment on greyhounds. Like max I was a bit perplexed by it initialy. I have spent a bit of time around racing greyhounds and in my experience your comment is 100% bang on. Every ounce of them exists for the chase, such a perfect athlete would be better off dead than condemned to a life without being able to express it's true nature.

 

We park our cars in the same lot .......I cant speak for greyhounds as i dont have much experience with them......but as regards the apbt,i would rather they simply died out and no longer exist as a breed rather than watch them end up a fashion statement or a piece of home furniture like some breeds.........

 

When a person has seen such perfection to watch it deteriorate feels like a sin. Fortunately the Greyhound is of no interest to those that don't strive for that perfection. Likewise I have little to no experience with the apbt but I can see it's sad times for another canine athlete.

 

On another line of thought, it's of no surprise the two athletes complement each other so well in their hybrid for work in the field.

[bird 9,935]

I see where you are coming from now with regards your earlier comment on greyhounds. Like max I was a bit perplexed by it initialy. I have spent a bit of time around racing greyhounds and in my experience your comment is 100% bang on. Every ounce of them exists for the chase, such a perfect athlete would be better off dead than condemned to a life without being able to express it's true nature.

 

We park our cars in the same lot .......I cant speak for greyhounds as i dont have much experience with them......but as regards the apbt,i would rather they simply died out and no longer exist as a breed rather than watch them end up a fashion statement or a piece of home furniture like some breeds.........

 

When a person has seen such perfection to watch it deteriorate feels like a sin. Fortunately the Greyhound is of no interest to those that don't strive for that perfection. Likewise I have little to no experience with the apbt but I can see it's sad times for another canine athlete.

 

On another line of thought, it's of no surprise the two athletes complement each other so well in their hybrid for work in the field.

 

funny you say that, because its not always the case . Iknow of alot bullx greys that get genetic probs. Fair few drop down dead in the field from (blood clot) in the brain brought on by exhaustion.My 1st bullxgrey died from it, and i know of few othere died from. My vet said that some times breeds dont always (gel) with there genes, and it seems to happen to this x quite few times, they over heat very quickly , more than some other xs. My dog now i have to keep a eye on him, or he could easy go the same way ..!

[Born Hunter 17,775]

funny you say that, because its not always the case . Iknow of alot bullx greys that get genetic probs. Fair few drop down dead in the field from (blood clot) in the brain brought on by exhaustion.My 1st bullxgrey died from it, and i know of few othere died from. My vet said that some times breeds dont always (gel) with there genes, and it seems to happen to this x quite few times, they over heat very quickly , more than some other xs. My dog now i have to keep a eye on him, or he could easy go the same way ..!

 

Not always the case no, but I think it's fair to say that there are some impressive crosses out there, hence their success in the field at a few specialist jobs. But like I said, just another line of thought somewhat off topic.

 

Interesting to hear of those problems though.

Edited February 28, 2012 by Born Hunter