The Duncan 802 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt? Ive raised and trained bull breeds from the age of 14 and never had a problem, nothing but good results in fact. So if I'm going to use it for hog hunting, would that be ok with you? But I'd be ruining the breed if I only have one as an active family pet in a well adjusted highly experienced home? I think some justification for your comments is merited. Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny 2 367 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Whats happened to the breed in the last ten years? Edited February 27, 2012 by johnny 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I've promised my wife that she can have a grey one if/when we get to the states And people wonder why 90 % of the greatest sporting dog in the history of canine existence...................................has become a useless lump of shit good for nothing but " being a nice pet " The title of the thread is Bull breeds Gnasher. Not just one particular breed or lines. Not everyone is on about fighting bred bulls you know. You dont need to have coach and horses to own a dalmation, or a sled to own huskies. But if you want a huskie, dont get one from the Arctic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,861 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Whats happened to the breed in the last ten years? well with the ban, and the gene pool will be smaller in england now, the best are in other countrys .Alot of today are big dogs (-100 lb) that have got ABD in them to give extra size. The best were nearly always smaller type dogs (30-60lbs), the good ones were bred for Heart(game) not size . A great breed got in the wrong hands (joe public), if they had stayed with the people that worked them, they might not have ended up where they are today 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrCh 856 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 cant believe whats getting passed on as pitbulls now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) The title of the thread is Bull breeds Gnasher. Not just one particular breed or lines. Not everyone is on about fighting bred bulls you know. You dont need to have coach and horses to own a dalmation, or a sled to own huskies. But if you want a huskie, dont get one from the Arctic If you had looked at the whole conversation rather than jumping down my throat you would have realised that the conversation i was having with Duncan was about PBT ( pit bull terriers ).....thats why i highlighted his post in my own And your other statement about Dalmations and Huskies is equally wrong...................how many perfectly healthy Dalmations and Huskies have been put to sleep due to idiotic owners ? how many Damations and Huskies have caused mayhem on the streets on an international scale ?.....have there been plans put in place for over 20 years to exterminate the breeds of Dalmations and Huskies ?..............the further you breed away from a breeds original purpose the more trouble you will get,the consequences are not too terrible within the breeds of Dalmation or Huskies...................within the breed of the American Pit Bull Terrier it has been disastrous on many levels. Edited February 27, 2012 by gnasher16 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt? Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise? Well the fact you are basing your selection of the worlds greatest canine athlete on the colour of its fur........suggests to me you are not an ideal candidate for such a fine animal.....after all dogs dont choose their owners. No i have never been a fan of apbt,s being kept in family pet homes......i accept some folk do just like i accept some folk keep racing greyhounds in family pet homes.....i dont think thats ideal either........im not talking about working dogs im talking about sporting dogs.....the apbt was never bred as a working dog it was bred specifically for a sport that just doesnt fit neatly into family pet living in my opinion........ Exactly what qualities does an apbt possess that a wee Staffie doesnt ?....what makes an apbt a better family pet ?................................there are literally hundreds of breeds that make good family pets,why choose one that doesnt really fit the bill...................... Besides which..............in many years around this breed ive never heard of or seen a grey one Edited February 27, 2012 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bohemigsboy 4 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 well said gnasher16 !!! a fella i knew used to say ...they are pitbulls not petbulls Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 The title of the thread is Bull breeds Gnasher. Not just one particular breed or lines. Not everyone is on about fighting bred bulls you know. You dont need to have coach and horses to own a dalmation, or a sled to own huskies. But if you want a huskie, dont get one from the Arctic If you had looked at the whole conversation rather than jumping down my throat you would have realised that the conversation i was having with Duncan was about PBT ( pit bull terriers ).....thats why i highlighted his post in my own And your other statement about Dalmations and Huskies is equally wrong...................how many perfectly healthy Dalmations and Huskies have been put to sleep due to idiotic owners ? how many Damations and Huskies have caused mayhem on the streets on an international scale ?.....have there been plans put in place for over 20 years to exterminate the breeds of Dalmations and Huskies ?..............the further you breed away from a breeds original purpose the more trouble you will get,the consequences are not too terrible within the breeds of Dalmation or Huskies...................within the breed of the American Pit Bull Terrier it has been disastrous on many levels. Sorry Gnasher, you read my post wrong, i was not jumping down your throat at all, and if it came across like that then my apologies it was not meant to. My references to huskies etc was to do with the fact dogs 'originally bred' for different jobs can make good pets. But dogs who have only ever been bred for certain jobs of which pet qualities are not included...ie huskies from the Arctic....would not make good pets. The way i read your posts is that if an APBT is not a fighting bred terrier then it is subnormal, i simply do not agree with that sentiment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Duncan 802 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt? Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise? Well the fact you are basing your selection of the worlds greatest canine athlete on the colour of its fur........suggests to me you are not an ideal candidate for such a fine animal.....after all dogs dont choose their owners. So I'm not supposed to have a colour preference? No i have never been a fan of apbt,s being kept in family pet homes......i accept some folk do just like i accept some folk keep racing greyhounds in family pet homes.....i dont think thats ideal either........im not talking about working dogs im talking about sporting dogs.....the apbt was never bred as a working dog it was bred specifically for a sport that just doesnt fit neatly into family pet living in my opinion........ Exactly what qualities does an apbt possess that a wee Staffie doesnt ?....what makes an apbt a better family pet ?.Did I actually say it wasn't going to be put to work of any sort, like baying feral pigs?...............................there are literally hundreds of breeds that make good family pets,why choose one that doesnt really fit the bill...................... Besides which..............in many years around this breed ive never heard of or seen a grey one I have. It seems we will not agree on the subject, but your well thought-out and reasoned argument for me not being the sort of person who shouldn't have a PBT is acknowledged but not agreed with. I can certainly train and handle one, and direct its energy into productive endeavours, so I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold water. Atb Duncan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Sorry Gnasher, you read my post wrong, i was not jumping down your throat at all, and if it came across like that then my apologies it was not meant to. My references to huskies etc was to do with the fact dogs 'originally bred' for different jobs can make good pets. But dogs who have only ever been bred for certain jobs of which pet qualities are not included...ie huskies from the Arctic....would not make good pets. The way i read your posts is that if an APBT is not a fighting bred terrier then it is subnormal, i simply do not agree with that sentiment. My apologies also i obviously took it wrong.......an apbt that will not fight a dog is not subnormal,its just a poor representative of its breed.....same as a greyhound that wont run is a poor representative of its breed or a hunting dog that wont hunt........................the fact that the task the apbt was bred for involves such a highly driven dog of such physical prowess makes it dangerous in the wrong hands or in the wrong situations.....................or both............and this is not something that happened centuries ago we,re only talking 30/40 years ago when this breed was predominantly a fighting dog and rarely kept as pets..........and thats a blink of an eye in historic terms so its not like a Dalmation who has long since forgotten what coach and horses are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt? Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise? Well the fact you are basing your selection of the worlds greatest canine athlete on the colour of its fur........suggests to me you are not an ideal candidate for such a fine animal.....after all dogs dont choose their owners. So I'm not supposed to have a colour preference? No i have never been a fan of apbt,s being kept in family pet homes......i accept some folk do just like i accept some folk keep racing greyhounds in family pet homes.....i dont think thats ideal either........im not talking about working dogs im talking about sporting dogs.....the apbt was never bred as a working dog it was bred specifically for a sport that just doesnt fit neatly into family pet living in my opinion........ Exactly what qualities does an apbt possess that a wee Staffie doesnt ?....what makes an apbt a better family pet ?.Did I actually say it wasn't going to be put to work of any sort, like baying feral pigs?...............................there are literally hundreds of breeds that make good family pets,why choose one that doesnt really fit the bill...................... Besides which..............in many years around this breed ive never heard of or seen a grey one I have. It seems we will not agree on the subject, but your well thought-out and reasoned argument for me not being the sort of person who shouldn't have a PBT is acknowledged but not agreed with. I can certainly train and handle one, and direct its energy into productive endeavours, so I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold water. Atb Duncan No problem.....im not out to right the worlds wrongs its just a subject close to my heart having paid a heavy price for my love and admiration of this breed....... All i would say in response to 2 points i raised that you havent answered....... 1. When and where have you seen or heard of a grey apbt ? 2. What qualities does an apbt have that a staffie doesnt in making them a better family pet ? I would be interested to know your experiences with this breed,what lines you have had....these productive endeavours etc ........at a guess i would say this will be your first one ...but only you know the answer to that.......all the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Gnash Greyhounds make Great Family pets . Im sure they do......but if they could talk they would tell you they would rather be running round a race track than sitting eating sweets on the sofa........dogs dont choose their owners........but hey i forgot....its what WE want that counts eh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Duncan 802 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Curious as to what you think you know about me that says I shouldn't have a pbt? Furthermore, are you saying that any breed originally bred to work should never be had simply as a companion active or otherwise? Well the fact you are basing your selection of the worlds greatest canine athlete on the colour of its fur........suggests to me you are not an ideal candidate for such a fine animal.....after all dogs dont choose their owners. So I'm not supposed to have a colour preference? No i have never been a fan of apbt,s being kept in family pet homes......i accept some folk do just like i accept some folk keep racing greyhounds in family pet homes.....i dont think thats ideal either........im not talking about working dogs im talking about sporting dogs.....the apbt was never bred as a working dog it was bred specifically for a sport that just doesnt fit neatly into family pet living in my opinion........ Exactly what qualities does an apbt possess that a wee Staffie doesnt ?....what makes an apbt a better family pet ?.Did I actually say it wasn't going to be put to work of any sort, like baying feral pigs?...............................there are literally hundreds of breeds that make good family pets,why choose one that doesnt really fit the bill...................... Besides which..............in many years around this breed ive never heard of or seen a grey one I have. It seems we will not agree on the subject, but your well thought-out and reasoned argument for me not being the sort of person who shouldn't have a PBT is acknowledged but not agreed with. I can certainly train and handle one, and direct its energy into productive endeavours, so I'm afraid your argument doesn't hold water. Atb Duncan No problem.....im not out to right the worlds wrongs its just a subject close to my heart having paid a heavy price for my love and admiration of this breed....... All i would say in response to 2 points i raised that you havent answered....... 1. When and where have you seen or heard of a grey apbt ? 2. What qualities does an apbt have that a staffie doesnt in making them a better family pet ? I would be interested to know your experiences with this breed,what lines you have had....these productive endeavours etc ........at a guess i would say this will be your first one ...but only you know the answer to that.......all the best. Nothing wrong with having some passion about a subject Gnash, and I do respect you for it. 1. I had friends with PBT's before the ban and they had some greys. I got to know the dogs fairly well, good and bad. 2. I'm not looking for a perfect family pet. I feel any dog can make a good family pet, but I'm not after a pot-licker and nor is the wife who's wanted one for years (also an experienced dog lady). This is all hypothetical anyway, as in the states, a pbt that we would get would be hunting as well as being a family pet. I've got no qualms about saying this hypothetical pit bull would be our first, just as we had to have our first staff, first ridgeback, first rotty, first GSD etc. If you can handle, train and understand dogs, dealing with the first of any breed isn't a problem is it? You must have had a first pbt at some point - you weren't born having had one, after all. Cheers Duncan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Duncan 802 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Gnash Greyhounds make Great Family pets . Im sure they do......but if they could talk they would tell you they would rather be running round a race track than sitting eating sweets on the sofa........dogs dont choose their owners........but hey i forgot....its what WE want that counts eh. IMHO, anyone who allows their dogs on the sofa or lets them eat sweets is doing their dogs no favours, pets or otherwise. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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