Legal to own cpc that has potential over 12psi?

[GruffaloGriff 1,858]

as long as it is not a registered fac air rifle and you keep it below 12 ft/lbs then you do not need a license

Not redgistered as a FAC air rifle at the moment by the current owner but i don't know it's histry from new. What if it has been redgisterd as such in the past? Is there any way of checking?

[davyt63 1,845]

as long as it is not a registered fac air rifle and you keep it below 12 ft/lbs then you do not need a license

Not redgistered as a FAC air rifle at the moment by the current owner but i don't know it's histry from new. What if it has been redgisterd as such in the past? Is there any way of checking?

 

hi

"IF" it has been registered in the past,then it still is!!

once its registered it can not be de-registered,it stays F.A.C till it goes to the scrap heap!

 

but chances are its under 12ft/lb,if the previous owner is telling the truth?

 

Davy

Edited February 16, 2012 by davyt63

[chimp 299]

it will be kept at under 12ft lb im sure . every air rifle has the potential of being tuned to go over , just so happens this one can be turned up and down for different weight pellets etc find a pellet your happy with and blank it off . simples

[paulus 26]

as long as it is not a registered fac air rifle and you keep it below 12 ft/lbs then you do not need a license

Not redgistered as a FAC air rifle at the moment by the current owner but i don't know it's histry from new. What if it has been redgisterd as such in the past? Is there any way of checking?

 

hi

"IF" it has been registered in the past,then it still is!!

once its registered it can not be de-registered,it stays F.A.C till it goes to the scrap heap!

 

but chances are its under 12ft/lb,if the previous owner is telling the truth?

 

Davy

not quite correct if the barrel length is over 24 inches it can be put back to 12ft lbs here http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?450349-Reverting-FAC-to-sub-12fpe-FYI

[GruffaloGriff 1,858]

as long as it is not a registered fac air rifle and you keep it below 12 ft/lbs then you do not need a license

Not redgistered as a FAC air rifle at the moment by the current owner but i don't know it's histry from new. What if it has been redgisterd as such in the past? Is there any way of checking?

 

hi

"IF" it has been registered in the past,then it still is!!

once its registered it can not be de-registered,it stays F.A.C till it goes to the scrap heap!

 

but chances are its under 12ft/lb,if the previous owner is telling the truth?

 

Davy

How can i tell if it has been registered in the past? Is there anywhere on the internet i can enter the serial number to check? I assume the police can check a data bank somewhere but if i ask them would i run the risk of unintentionally dropping the current owner in it?

[GruffaloGriff 1,858]

I have the chance of a realy good deal on a Theoben Rapid 7 PCP air rifle. I don't know the history but the current owner dosn't have it on a FAC. I intend to keep it sub 12lbs so in theory wouldn't need a FAC but have been told if it has ever been FAC redgistered in the past then i can't legally own it without a FAC.

 

Can i check the serial number anywhere to see if it has ever been FAC redgistered?

[SportingShooter 0]

The only way to check would be for the firearms licensing department to run it through their "National Firearms Licensing System" which keeps a record of the history of all firearms that have ever been registered. However, the other chap may get in some bother if what you say is true about it being unlawful to hold the gun if it has ever been FAC rated.

 

Personally, I can't see why you would need an FAC if the rifle was now permanently set at under 12 ft/lbs but thats not to say the Firearms Laws in the UK are as clear as mud!

[Simonrees 45]

as long as it is not a registered fac air rifle and you keep it below 12 ft/lbs then you do not need a license

Not redgistered as a FAC air rifle at the moment by the current owner but i don't know it's histry from new. What if it has been redgisterd as such in the past? Is there any way of checking?

 

hi

"IF" it has been registered in the past,then it still is!!

once its registered it can not be de-registered,it stays F.A.C till it goes to the scrap heap!

 

but chances are its under 12ft/lb,if the previous owner is telling the truth?

 

Davy

How can i tell if it has been registered in the past? Is there anywhere on the internet i can enter the serial number to check? I assume the police can check a data bank somewhere but if i ask them would i run the risk of unintentionally dropping the current owner in it?

 

If a rifle is registered as a Section 1 firearm it will always be a section 1 FA. which means it will always be subject to the same controls. You cannot just simply sell a section 1 firearm without informing the police. So if its not being sold as a sec 1 then it is not and has never been a sec1.

[Simonrees 45]

This question has already been answered on your previous thread.

[paulus 26]

This question has already been answered on your previous thread.

i thought that

[SportingShooter 0]

Just read the whole thread from back to front and it appears to be a hugely grey area as with almost all firearms law.

 

I think the OP deserves some clarification or he'll be back to square one.

 

Would everyone agree with the following?

 

1. So long as the gun is currently under 12ft/lbs and is not easily capable of being turned up and down then that is safe to own as every air weapon has that potential,

 

2. Its worth speaking to your firearms licensing department for some advice as to where they stand on the issue,

 

3. One final point from me, a weapon can be taken on and off a Firearms and Shotgun certificate in certain circumstances and as far as I'm aware, air rifles are no different. There are certain points in law which require a weapon to be held on a certificate and if that weapon falls outside of that criteria and assuming it is not easily adjustable to the contrary it can be taken off and held without certificate. I know this is certainly the case for older calibre rifles whereby you can legally own a non de-activated .577/450 so long as you have no capability to fire it without certificate, whereas if you somehow acquire ammunition of that calibre and wish to use it then it must be entered on an FAC as its a centrefire rifle and as such Sec.1

 

Obviously up for debate

[paulus 26]

Just read the whole thread from back to front and it appears to be a hugely grey area as with almost all firearms law.

 

I think the OP deserves some clarification or he'll be back to square one.

 

Would everyone agree with the following?

 

1. So long as the gun is currently under 12ft/lbs and is not easily capable of being turned up and down then that is safe to own as every air weapon has that potential,

 

2. Its worth speaking to your firearms licensing department for some advice as to where they stand on the issue,

 

3. One final point from me, a weapon can be taken on and off a Firearms and Shotgun certificate in certain circumstances and as far as I'm aware, air rifles are no different. There are certain points in law which require a weapon to be held on a certificate and if that weapon falls outside of that criteria and assuming it is not easily adjustable to the contrary it can be taken off and held without certificate. I know this is certainly the case for older calibre rifles whereby you can legally own a non de-activated .577/450 so long as you have no capability to fire it without certificate, whereas if you somehow acquire ammunition of that calibre and wish to use it then it must be entered on an FAC as its a centrefire rifle and as such Sec.1

 

Obviously up for debate

pritty much sums it up. if that rapid is buying chrono`s below 12ft lbs i dont see what all the fuss is about.

[BLACK-GUN 94]

once a firearm is registerd, it will always be a firearm, no matter if you de tune it under 12ft pounds you will still need an fac.

[SportingShooter 0]

This question has already been answered on your previous thread.

i thought that

 

I've squeezed them in to one now

[paulus 26]

once a firearm is registerd, it will always be a firearm, no matter if you de tune it under 12ft pounds you will still need an fac.

not always the case it varies on the interpretation by the flo in your area some will allow it to be done by a registered gunsmith others wont.

it all relates to this

Section 7(2) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act, 1988 means that it is NOT possible to reclassify an air rifle from being a Section 1 air rifle to a non FAC air rifle by reducing its kinetic energy, if the barrel is rifled and the barrel length is less than 24”

so if the barrel is longer than 24 inch you should be able to get it taken off fac, however as i said all flo`s interprite it different.