Great Game Fairs of Ireland racing update

[flash3241 32]

but this isnt england the last time i checked an when that rule comes in well fair enough but people are getting a little bit pissed off an frustrated as theres people running whippet type or non ped as there called but still a lurcher like yours martin in the whippet race which is unfair as a non ped whippet type will stuff a pure bred any day of the week an thats what its all coming down to so why dont you race your whippet type in the lurchers like pairs as there near enough the same amount of greyhound in the both dogs

[AlbertJ 569]

My own opinion is that there are too many varients !

 

You have the KC Whippet, the non-registered pedigree Whippet. Then you have the small, light racing Whippet ie Paris and Ernie (both Under 23` and around the 30lb mark). Then you have the heavy Under 23` 45lbs ish like Diego, China and my own Winnie.

 

The small, light racing Whippet has NO chance against the heavy Under 23`. Just like the KC and non-registered pedigree whippet has NO chance against the light racing Whippet. If he can beat them, then i`d question his breeding !

 

I think there needs to be some clarifacation as to what the likes of Ernie (now retired) and Paris are classed as !

 

Some people, myself included, class them as racing whippets, where as others class them as under 23` lurchers.

 

Then the wording of the class has to be exact. You put down an event for a non-registered whippet, as was the case in Birr with Ernie, then it leads it self open to people to voice their opinions....... and don`t we all know how some love to do it !

 

Then who decides what is what and what is wrong and right..... more disagreements, but I feel it does need to be sorted !

 

Martin,

 

Our attempt to split the whippets at Birr led to some criticism of you and you sportingly offered to return the prize BUT as I said then the classification that we listed at Birr was to include ' Non ped' whippets so you were quite entitled to run.

 

I notice Tango has listed an under 21 class - is this the way to go for 'Non ped whippets' with the other classification/race for pure bred whippets?

 

albert

[up the beam 65]

Now we are getting somewhere provided the whippet class is for both reg and un reg whippets all ingreement say I !!! Lol

Edited February 20, 2012 by up the beam

[lurcher330 2,297]

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[lesleyd 24]

Now we are getting somewhere provided the whippet class is for both reg and un reg whippets all ingreement say I !!! Lol

 

now all you have to do is get yourself a descent whippet

[Martin Tucker 23]

In England...... but as flash3241 has correctly pointed out this is not England !......... I believe the Peds run to a 21` limit, so yes I would have to agree this seems to be a solution !

 

Do I take it then flash3241, that you are prepared to assist those that put on and organise these races at the shows to ensure `fair play` to those taking part ? If so then it`s a step in the right direction.

 

Regarding my `lurcher` Ernie, he is now 7 years of age and despite getting a run behind the drag twice a week on my gallop, he will no longer be taking part in any race meets, so the problem with him wont arise. I`ll have Winnie in the Under 23` and Ginger Jack in the overs.

However, Flourence Court and Shanes Castle will be probably the only two venues up North that they are seen in, unless there is a drag meet ran somewhere up that part of the World.

[huntsbyhimself 82]

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[Martin Tucker 23]

Horses for courses ! Depends what your in to ! You can say the same about most hunting dogs. How would they perform from traps over 150 yards ?

 

Lets just enjoy OUR dogs for the pleasure they give to us, be it in the field or behind the drag !

[whip x grey 276]

martian yer slighly wrong ,,,,on up to 40lb,,,,,,bwra is up to 32lb they run in whippet class over that runs in scratch racing,,,,nnwrf up to 35lb anything over that run in scratch racing

 

now for the NAME ,,,LONG DOG lol,,,,,a long dog aint a lurcher,,,,its two diffrent sighthounds breed tother to make another sighthound ,,,but is classed as longdog from the lurcher communtie, IS THE ONLY PLL,S THAT EXCEPTED THEM, as no other would except them

 

now the brain swister ,,,a whippet ,,,orgianted from greyhound and possibley terrier ,,=== lurcher lol but aint ,,,kc class them as sighthounds

 

now longdog lol,,,,breed two diffrent sighthounds toghter ,,,u dont get a lurcher ,,,,u get a sighthound ,,,classed as longdog lol,,,breed two greyhounds toghter === sighthound ect ect lol

 

 

but would i would say ,,,,,dont argue about it across the water,,,,,if it means 3 diffrent classes under 21inch,,,,then so be it ,,,,and enjoy yer racing

[tango 221]

My own opinion is that there are too many varients ! You have the KC Whippet, the non-registered pedigree Whippet. Then you have the small, light racing Whippet ie Paris and Ernie (both Under 23` and around the 30lb mark). Then you have the heavy Under 23` 45lbs ish like Diego, China and my own Winnie. The small, light racing Whippet has NO chance against the heavy Under 23`. Just like the KC and non-registered pedigree whippet has NO chance against the light racing Whippet. If he can beat them, then i`d question his breeding ! I think there needs to be some clarifacation as to what the likes of Ernie (now retired) and Paris are classed as ! Some people, myself included, class them as racing whippets, where as others class them as under 23` lurchers. Then the wording of the class has to be exact. You put down an event for a non-registered whippet, as was the case in Birr with Ernie, then it leads it self open to people to voice their opinions....... and don`t we all know how some love to do it ! Then who decides what is what and what is wrong and right..... more disagreements, but I feel it does need to be sorted !

Martin, Our attempt to split the whippets at Birr led to some criticism of you and you sportingly offered to return the prize BUT as I said then the classification that we listed at Birr was to include ' Non ped' whippets so you were quite entitled to run. I notice Tango has listed an under 21 class - is this the way to go for 'Non ped whippets' with the other classification/race for pure bred whippets? albert

i can only speak for myself and after reading the posts and the pm`s ive had on it i will hold an under 21"race and a whippet race without the need for papers,if on the day a dog lines up on the start of the whippet grid and someone says it not a full whippet then i will ask three people from a whippet background to judge the dog in question.i think this would be the best compromise for this year.good hunting tango Edited February 20, 2012 by tango

[whip x grey 276]

if its any consaltion martin,,,,your erinie and paris,,,,are probably the type off whippet types that made up the KC when they started over 100 years ago,,,,,,let be honest it wasnt the greyhound x terrier that made the KC,,,,it was mainly whip x greys small type,,,breed for generations lol ( long dogs )

 

but we will let historians argue that lol,,,,paris and erinie goes way back to miners and poor plls from north east england ,,,where the whippet came from,,,,just two diffrent classes tryed to make them diffrent ,,,one who didnt work the coal mines and liked the breed,,,,and those who were poor and worked the mines and didnt throw much weight as they were poor

 

let historians argue the case out

 

i,e bwra 32lb capp is alot stricker than 21 1/2 inch kc rule,,,,,,each to there own,,,,pmsl

 

ill carry on racing with the miners whippet,s lol

[up the beam 65]

Tango fair play to you mate good call

[Dazzam 239]

Martin,

There were quite a few non peds brought over from England before Ernie but because they did'nt make the height they were sent back over. I believe it's totally unfair to run a non ped against kc whippets, registered or unregistered. As you rightly say the non ped will win every time. Do Roscrea cater for the smaller dogs? and if not do they intend to cater for them in the future? I guess that's one for Shane to answer.

 

Up the Beam(Glen),

Yes i hope to get to a number of shows this year and race a wee non ped. From the day i got the pup i have been open and transparent with her breeding on K9 so that no questions could be brought up in the future about her breeding. I always question why so many people are secretative about the breeding of dogs they have brought in/bred. For me it's either questionable breeding or the person is afraid the dog won't make the grade and then it's no embarrassment to them. There are dogs who are have beaten some of the best bred racing dogs in the country that never appeared at a show until they were well over a year old and i'm told there is a lot of saluki etc. etc. in it's breeding.......personally i think it's a load of nonsense. As more and more money is being thrown at the lurcher racing the scale of the cheating will increase.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Dazzam

[up the beam 65]

Martin,

There were quite a few non peds brought over from England before Ernie but because they did'nt make the height they were sent back over. I believe it's totally unfair to run a non ped against kc whippets, registered or unregistered. As you rightly say the non ped will win every time. Do Roscrea cater for the smaller dogs? and if not do they intend to cater for them in the future? I guess that's one for Shane to answer.

 

Up the Beam(Glen),

Yes i hope to get to a number of shows this year and race a wee non ped. From the day i got the pup i have been open and transparent with her breeding on K9 so that no questions could be brought up in the future about her breeding. I always question why so many people are secretative about the breeding of dogs they have brought in/bred. For me it's either questionable breeding or the person is afraid the dog won't make the grade and then it's no embarrassment to them. There are dogs who are have beaten some of the best bred racing dogs in the country that never appeared at a show until they were well over a year old and i'm told there is a lot of saluki etc. etc. in it's breeding.......personally i think it's a load of nonsense. As more and more money is being thrown at the lurcher racing the scale of the cheating will increase.

Dazzam i only mentioned your name as i knew you had been open with the breeding of your dog and i knew you had intrest in this topic as you started a simlar thread I was just looking your views, by nomeans was i questioning the breeding of your dog or having a dig at you in anyway..... hope the wee dog goes well for you Glen

[littlefish 585]

Are the non-peds which are shipped over from the mainland primarily for racing at gamefairs or for working?