Guest Josy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 People have different standards, I personly would not breed off any jacker or failed dog of any sort. 1 Quote Link to post
Moll. 1,770 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 People have different standards, I personly would not breed off any jacker or failed dog of any sort. For the sake of discussion Josy and not aimed at anyone in particular Just some things i cannot get my head around no matter how hard i try Is it not all relative anyway, for one thing what exactly is 'the best' is there a yard stick we can judge all dogs with? And a failed dog....if a dog has tried at foxing and failed, but is good on rabbits, then it is still a failed dog and should not be bred from. Now what happens if a dog had only been used for rabbits and never even ran a fox. That dog although excellent at rabbits may still have the propensity to jack at any other species. Another scenario.....say a deerhound cross which has come from a line of working deer dogs, and of course historically used for deer. Imagine this dog can hoover rabbits for fun and loves fox work, but yet refuses to work deer, that dog would still be a jacker. Now one thing i do actually understand, it would not be wise to breed it as a deer dog, but surely it would still be a usefull breeding dog for people wanting the species it was good at controlled? 2 Quote Link to post
Guest Josy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Moll, I can only speak for myself if a dog has failed on what it was bred for it wouldnt matter how good it was on rabbits I still would not breed from it. When these pups have been bred for rabbits out of failed dogs I bet the surplus would not be advertised as bred out of failed dogs. To many failed dogs come up for sale or get passed on because the owners are to greedy or soft to do the right thing with them. 2 Quote Link to post
Moll. 1,770 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I completely understand where you are coming from Josy You would not breed from failed even though it was good for rabbits because a rabbit dog is not your primary reason for having the dog, and you will have dogs that could do what you wanted plus rabbits so no need for just a rabbit dog in your kennels, completely understandable. Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 the problem is the lurcher is used in to perform many tasks for many people. all to different standards according to its owners situation. so one mans beef is another mans soya bean. all this talk best to the best how does anyone know its the best breed for yourself, attempting to create better as you go, it wont always workout, but learn and carry on. failed,jacker theres another couple of words i dont think should be used, as again its not that simple, not with lurchers, far to many variables as to why the dog failed. how many people could tell you why their dog was a jacker. i dare to say 7/10 times down to the owner. correct choice of dog/correct training/correct diet/correct housing/correct vetinary care/correct fitness/correct entering at the correct time equals success 75% of the time. and now and again a cracker will surface 5 Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,996 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers. Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,780 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers. Generally I agree Chart. All I was saying was that if that same dog proved to be exceptional at the rabbit game then the fact it failed at its originally intended purpose would not bother me as it contained all the right stuff for what I wanted. Proven lines are very important but I wouldn't be afraid to take a pup from a breeding where a parent was a failed fox/hare/deer/rabbit dog as long as they were exceptional at the job I wanted the pup for. JMO Edited February 13, 2012 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post
midnighthunter 78 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers.cp have you not got a mut where one side is a non worker atb Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,996 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers.cp have you not got a mut where one side is a non worker atb Are you going to ask me this every time I make a post ?? LOL !! As I've told you before, my Deer X is out of a brood bitch that neither coursed or raced... that's a bit different to breeding from a known jacker, in my opinion.... but that's just what it is; MY opinion ! Cheers. Quote Link to post
Guest born to run1083 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers. Your Theory is floored, you say you would find a proven rabbiter but isn't the failed fox dog still a proven rabbiter????? what is a proven rabbiter to you ???????? Isn't it a dog that can catch rabbits day and night and excels at the task and done it season after season isn't that classed as a proven rabbitor???? To Me abd i think many others That is a proven RABBITER weather its failed at fox or deer or not is irrelative. Quote Link to post
midnighthunter 78 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers.cp have you not got a mut where one side is a non worker atb Are you going to ask me this every time I make a post ?? LOL !! As I've told you before, my Deer X is out of a brood bitch that neither coursed or raced... that's a bit different to breeding from a known jacker, in my opinion.... but that's just what it is; MY opinion ! Cheers. c p thats the first time i have asked that or prove me wrong on your x thats not the road iwould have went down but thats my opinion back on track you are allways in to the bull x at every chance thats a fact atb Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,996 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers.cp have you not got a mut where one side is a non worker atb Are you going to ask me this every time I make a post ?? LOL !! As I've told you before, my Deer X is out of a brood bitch that neither coursed or raced... that's a bit different to breeding from a known jacker, in my opinion.... but that's just what it is; MY opinion ! Cheers. c p thats the first time i have asked that or prove me wrong on your x thats not the road iwould have went down but thats my opinion back on track you are allways in to the bull x at every chance thats a fact atb I think you are a stalker, you are always having sly digs at me or my dogs.... now, you don't know me one bit if you think I have a go at bull x's. If you have anything to say about me or my dogs, just say it , instead of the sly innuendo. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,996 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers. Your Theory is floored, you say you would find a proven rabbiter but isn't the failed fox dog still a proven rabbiter????? what is a proven rabbiter to you ???????? Isn't it a dog that can catch rabbits day and night and excels at the task and done it season after season isn't that classed as a proven rabbitor???? To Me abd i think many others That is a proven RABBITER weather its failed at fox or deer or not is irrelative. Mate, I respect everyones opinion; but for me, I wouldn't be happy knowing the sire to my pups was a jacker. Cheers. Quote Link to post
Guest born to run1083 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers. Your Theory is floored, you say you would find a proven rabbiter but isn't the failed fox dog still a proven rabbiter????? what is a proven rabbiter to you ???????? Isn't it a dog that can catch rabbits day and night and excels at the task and done it season after season isn't that classed as a proven rabbitor???? To Me abd i think many others That is a proven RABBITER weather its failed at fox or deer or not is irrelative. Mate, I respect everyones opinion; but for me, I wouldn't be happy knowing the sire to my pups was a jacker. Cheers. I wouldn't want to own a dog that's from a jacker but would a failed fox dog that's smashing everything else regardless of the x be classed as a jacker ?????? Quote Link to post
midnighthunter 78 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 OK, here's my take on the question, as I understand it...... If a dog had been bred from a long line of fox dogs, and was brought in and expected to take foxes, but failed, (or jacked), on them and was then passed on to someone who only used it for rabbits, and turned out succesful at that.... would I use it as a stud to breed out and out rabbiting pups from a proven rabbiting bitch ??? NO, I wouldn't !! I would use a stud who had been bred from proven rabbiters ! Why use a dog that jacked at what it was bred for, even if it could turn it's hand to other quarry, why not use a recognised stud ???? Cheers.cp have you not got a mut where one side is a non worker atb Are you going to ask me this every time I make a post ?? LOL !! As I've told you before, my Deer X is out of a brood bitch that neither coursed or raced... that's a bit different to breeding from a known jacker, in my opinion.... but that's just what it is; MY opinion ! Cheers. c p thats the first time i have asked that or prove me wrong on your x thats not the road iwould have went down but thats my opinion back on track you are allways in to the bull x at every chance thats a fact atb I think you are a stalker, you are always having sly digs at me or my dogs.... now, you don't know me one bit if you think I have a go at bull x's. If you have anything to say about me or my dogs, just say it , instead of the sly innuendo. lets get this wright thats the fist i asked about your dogs also i have met you also i know guys that you hunted with ffs get something true Quote Link to post
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