woodys mum 5 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi, I aquired a Bedlington Whippet lurcher last August, and I am keen to get back inot the showing circuit, after a gap of about 10 yrs, and i really missed it so keen to give it a go again, my query is do the dogs have to be entire to win, as I have two yorkie females in the house uneutered. I was planning to get my lurcher done for obvious reasons, but after reading one letter in the Countrymans weekly, its seems some judges dont favour them much, and will rarely place them even if they come across as been good specimen lurchers. Can any throw some light on to this and advise what the normal practise in showing is in regard to query, thanks Woody Mum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richie10 345 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 No idea, my dogs hate judges, i guess they think it is like being at the vets, some strange person touching them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 1,391 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) It's down to the judge. In my mind when I have judged I am looking for a top quality dog which hopefully not only looks the job but can do it (debatable and impossible to know). The fact that it can pass on these possible traits to pups is a l factor, and to be the complete package for me it must be packing a full clip. Same goes for monorchids (one ball) they get to leave the ring. Edited February 9, 2012 by Sirius Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 24,437 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The KC state a dog has to have two decended testicles,or will be disqualified. A lot of Lurcher judges check for this, including myself, but I've never seen a dog disqualified at a Lurcher show for not being "complete"! If a dog had everything else going for it, and was, in my opinion, the best in the ring, then I would pick it. I there were two dogs that I couldn't realy split, then a "complete" dog would win over a dog that wsn't "complete".Having only one, or no testicles, dosen't, in my mind affect a dogs working ability, in fact, one of the best dogs around just now had his un-decended testicles removed. Cheers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 1,391 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) The problem is dog shows are just beauty shows, and to be a winner you have to have it all in my book, you can never ever tell if a dog is a good worker on looks alone or the claims of it owner. So I always veiw it a beauty contest, and if you have an ear, leg or a big pair of bollocks missing, your out Edited February 9, 2012 by Sirius Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wuyang 513 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Ok, judges that favour a entire dog etc....thats all well and good, but how do you when picking an overall champion know that that entire male isnt up against a spayed bitch? Surely you treat spayed bitches the same? Edited February 9, 2012 by wuyang 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 24,437 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Ok, judges that favour a entire dog etc....thats all well and good, but how do you when picking an overall champion know that that entire male isnt up against a spayed bitch? Surely you treat spayed bitches the same? If you give a bitch the close inspection that ANY dog in a show ring deserves, you will feel the spaying scar. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 This should solve all your problems.... http://www.neuticles.com/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Millet 4,497 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 This should solve all your problems.... http://www.neuticles.com/ Good stuff Moll and that deffinitely is one lucky boxer puppy.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr-lurcher 6 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 my bull xs is done and i won at the show in essex best bull x Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 587 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 It's down to the judge. In my mind when I have judged I am looking for a top quality dog which hopefully not only looks the job but can do it (debatable and impossible to know). The fact that it can pass on these possible traits to pups is a l factor, and to be the complete package for me it must be packing a full clip. Same goes for monorchids (one ball) they get to leave the ring. Even if they are a 'ONE BALL WONDER' in the field? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blan89 159 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 spay the rats Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flash3241 32 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ok, judges that favour a entire dog etc....thats all well and good, but how do you when picking an overall champion know that that entire male isnt up against a spayed bitch? Surely you treat spayed bitches the same? If you give a bitch the close inspection that ANY dog in a show ring deserves, you will feel the spaying scar. Cheers. Ok, judges that favour a entire dog etc....thats all well and good, but how do you when picking an overall champion know that that entire male isnt up against a spayed bitch? Surely you treat spayed bitches the same? If you give a bitch the close inspection that ANY dog in a show ring deserves, you will feel the spaying scar. Cheers. that always isnt the case if she has a spaying scar the bitch might have a litter of pups an had to go thru cessarian section which then u cant tell an have to take the owners word for it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chook1 184 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ok, judges that favour a entire dog etc....thats all well and good, but how do you when picking an overall champion know that that entire male isnt up against a spayed bitch? Surely you treat spayed bitches the same? If you give a bitch the close inspection that ANY dog in a show ring deserves, you will feel the spaying scar. Cheers. If a vet has done his/her job properly you shouldn't be able to see or feel a spay scar, you cant on my bitch and you couldn't on the rescue bitch i have hear that ended up going in for another spay. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woodys mum 5 Posted February 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Surely the over all look of a dog,neutered or entire should be the deciding factor, as dogs are neutered for all sorts of reasons, and it dont really affect its overall looks and hunting proweress,just to have a pair of balls is a poor excuse to win over a neutered dog that appears to have the x factor albeit his male crown jewels, but I am just a novice so pardon my naievity lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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