sammy56 1 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 HI AIBERT I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud? Would be nice if you could answer these few questions. sammy Sammy, Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time. Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete. I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club. Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators. At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm . Albertj Thank you for your reply but you dont seem to get what im saying ! the man in question is not just there to get his dog at the end of the race he is there so his dog runs to him !i seen many people waiting at the side line to get there dog . as for roscrea club there was a few remarks that there own club members were cheating last year. And also do they all get access to the fair for free ? Do they get payed for running the racing for you ? If so do you think it is fair that they then go on to win after everyone else has payed to attend your fair. I notice alot of people at shanes game fair wearing pins that meant that they got in for free even that girl that takes the pics thought maybe her and her whole family got in for free cause she was taking phots for you but when you look at them they are all of friends and family why did she and her whole family get in for free? It just looks like if you are friendly with you then you can do what you want at these shows rules shound be put in place and stuck to . thank you sammy hi sammy my name is shane lee im the sect of the roscrea working dog social club...can u please explain wat sort of cheating went on at the racing at birr last year please and thank u..it was r first year working wit albert and his team which was very injoying also for the time and efford tat goes intoo these game fairs and for small minded people to come on bitching weak in weak out for god sake...wit out albert and his team there would in be game fairs in ireland[ FACT]....CAN I JUST ASK SAMMY WAT AVENTS DO U BE INVOLVED IN.... Hi shane lee sorry that you think that i am small minded and bithching but these question were for albert maybe i should have just pm him but i didnt , I never said that your club cheated if you look above you will see that i said there was a few remarks saying this in fact i was not at birr i seen all the comments on here i wanted answers to see if it was worth my while taking the weekend of work to go to this show as i also seen a few people saying that the racing was better run than shanes castle apart from the long haired whippet and the fella thats signals to the lure drivier standing at the side and not behind the dogs that are about to run . But somthing else i have noticed from other comments that you have put on this site is that you can not take constructive criticism very well .Didnt know i had to be involved in any avents to write on this have been on it for years but never got a profile on it to comment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sammy56 1 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Any dog that is winning races against other well bred racing dogs on a regular basis isn't running to it's owner at the end of the lure. Can't see why anyone organising a race wouldn't want someone at the end of the race catching a dog whether it is the owner or not unless it is a dig at someone. The non-peds have rules for how races are run, but over here each club or organiser runs it the way they want maybe thats were alot of the problems arise. Hi dazzam It just seemed like he was the only one doing it . And yes maybe when the show dates are put up for everyone to see maybe the rules shound go up with it so that everyone knows were they stand more so now with everyone doing the whippet racing there own way . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Any dog that is winning races against other well bred racing dogs on a regular basis isn't running to it's owner at the end of the lure. Can't see why anyone organising a race wouldn't want someone at the end of the race catching a dog whether it is the owner or not unless it is a dig at someone. The non-peds have rules for how races are run, but over here each club or organiser runs it the way they want maybe thats were alot of the problems arise. Hi dazzam It just seemed like he was the only one doing it . And yes maybe when the show dates are put up for everyone to see maybe the rules shound go up with it so that everyone knows were they stand more so now with everyone doing the whippet racing there own way . I personnally think he knows that the young fella is a far better slipper than him as he has admitted it on tv. Just look at him, he's almost bald, blind, ugly and a bundle of nerves, for peace sake my granny would do a better job at slipping than him Edited February 7, 2012 by Dazzam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sammy56 1 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner? Hi forrest gump Its not just weather the dog is running to his owener or running for the lure i seen i dog get hurt because of somone standing at the finsh line last year at shanes castle.just saying would be alot safer to stand at the side line and wait till the dogs had finshed not only that there is a bit of a dip were they race at shanes castle and the dogs lose sight of the lure for a few seconds would hate to see the dogs looking up to find it again to see a man waveing and shouting were there heading for . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mintstick999 485 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Any dog that is winning races against other well bred racing dogs on a regular basis isn't running to it's owner at the end of the lure. Can't see why anyone organising a race wouldn't want someone at the end of the race catching a dog whether it is the owner or not unless it is a dig at someone. The non-peds have rules for how races are run, but over here each club or organiser runs it the way they want maybe thats were alot of the problems arise. I agree with you, I think it's a dig at someone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner? Hi forrest gump Its not just weather the dog is running to his owener or running for the lure i seen i dog get hurt because of somone standing at the finsh line last year at shanes castle.just saying would be alot safer to stand at the side line and wait till the dogs had finshed not only that there is a bit of a dip were they race at shanes castle and the dogs lose sight of the lure for a few seconds would hate to see the dogs looking up to find it again to see a man waveing and shouting were there heading for . Sammy i witnessed this also but the fella was actually a spectator standing at the rope and thought it would be a good idea to run over and put his foot on the lure as it stopped to stop the dogs getting to it. What a plonker. I don't believe he had any dogs in the race. Edited February 7, 2012 by Dazzam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shane-1 31 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 HI AIBERT I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud? Would be nice if you could answer these few questions. sammy Sammy, Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time. Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete. I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club. Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators. At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm . Albertj Thank you for your reply but you dont seem to get what im saying ! the man in question is not just there to get his dog at the end of the race he is there so his dog runs to him !i seen many people waiting at the side line to get there dog . as for roscrea club there was a few remarks that there own club members were cheating last year. And also do they all get access to the fair for free ? Do they get payed for running the racing for you ? If so do you think it is fair that they then go on to win after everyone else has payed to attend your fair. I notice alot of people at shanes game fair wearing pins that meant that they got in for free even that girl that takes the pics thought maybe her and her whole family got in for free cause she was taking phots for you but when you look at them they are all of friends and family why did she and her whole family get in for free? It just looks like if you are friendly with you then you can do what you want at these shows rules shound be put in place and stuck to . thank you sammy hi sammy my name is shane lee im the sect of the roscrea working dog social club...can u please explain wat sort of cheating went on at the racing at birr last year please and thank u..it was r first year working wit albert and his team which was very injoying also for the time and efford tat goes intoo these game fairs and for small minded people to come on bitching weak in weak out for god sake...wit out albert and his team there would in be game fairs in ireland[ FACT]....CAN I JUST ASK SAMMY WAT AVENTS DO U BE INVOLVED IN.... Hi shane lee sorry that you think that i am small minded and bithching but these question were for albert maybe i should have just pm him but i didnt , I never said that your club cheated if you look above you will see that i said there was a few remarks saying this in fact i was not at birr i seen all the comments on here i wanted answers to see if it was worth my while taking the weekend of work to go to this show as i also seen a few people saying that the racing was better run than shanes castle apart from the long haired whippet and the fella thats signals to the lure drivier standing at the side and not behind the dogs that are about to run . But somthing else i have noticed from other comments that you have put on this site is that you can not take constructive criticism very well .Didnt know i had to be involved in any avents to write on this have been on it for years but never got a profile on it to comment. u said there was remarks that r club was cheating....how many 1000 people look on this form and wat will new comers think like.....this is lke saying its going to snow x mas day this year lol YOUR ASSUMING....do u believe everythink tat u see honestly...your talking about me standing at the side and not behind in this case is it not the same were i stand is n it they same for all dog handlers they all had a pair of eyes if i can remember so simpley this means they could all see me signal to the lure......wat was said to each dog handler was not to slip dogs until lure moved...i do not mind criticism wat i dont like is BULSHIT TALK like your coming on this fourm running down a very strong club your not asking your telling as you said yourself your not even in a club but yet come on and tell other people how to do thinks ask questions did we get in for free do u want to see r bank statments aswel lol....u being on for years and the first topic u do put up your TRYING to sturr up thinks and to say being on for years never got profile ...live and let live at the end of the day its a sport ...life is to short so injoy and book of your wk end it will be a good wk end maybe we might ave a coffee sammy injoy the hunting shane Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shane-1 31 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner? Hi forrest gump Its not just weather the dog is running to his owener or running for the lure i seen i dog get hurt because of somone standing at the finsh line last year at shanes castle.just saying would be alot safer to stand at the side line and wait till the dogs had finshed not only that there is a bit of a dip were they race at shanes castle and the dogs lose sight of the lure for a few seconds would hate to see the dogs looking up to find it again to see a man waveing and shouting were there heading for . Sammy i witnessed this also but the fella was actually a spectator standing at the rope and thought it would be a good idea to run over and put his foot on the lure as it stopped to stop the dogs getting to it. What a plonker. I don't believe he had any dogs in the race. i witnessed this the dog was rose mc coy diego star he got a bad time ok...i know the person your speaking about...i can say in r club there is a rule saying anyone interfering in a race ie calling ect will be disqualified...realy for insurance point of view aswell we dont let anyone pass the fence until the race has finished incase wat happens dog hits someone brake a persons leg then u ave a claim against the club so hope this explains why people should not be allowed behind the wire.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tango 221 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 shane ill stick my neck out here but ill say a job well done at birr,as you knowtheres some differance doing something at a gamefair than at your own venue.to everyone else i raced at birr and i dont see the advantage of watching the line man as apposed to the lure as theres always a different delay so i think thats groundless to start with. ive had my silly arguments with shane in the past but thats all they were and i find him a straight lad who loves his dogs everyone does things different which to me is a good thing,keep up the good work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I wonder if all the titles ie all Ireland champion And the prestigious trophies and cash And raced for bag of meal and a rosett or voucher for £10-£20 out of one of the hunting or doggy stalls at the game fair , would this stop some of the bitching ? .All this and we have not got even got on to what's a whippet and what's not a whippet.. here we go again happy racing 2012 guys LOL 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I will be posting details of what will be happening at each of the fairs when we have the prize structure complete and the judges in place. The track at each venue will be wired off , as at Birr, to prevent any spectator., wandering on to it during racing. It will be up to the organising club to decide whether people can stand back from the lure and catch their dogs or not. Our directors were very happy with the way the Rosccrea Club ran the racing and helped steward the terrier & lurcher show rings in order that everything ran very smoothly. Everyone else to whom I spoke said they did an excellent job. That is why they are running the show and racing this year. The only complaint that I heard was about where the person stood to signal the lure - and obviously someone read something into this. Shane and the Rosscrea Club have our full confidence but I am sure the ONLY COMPLAINT I have heard or have seen is very easily remedied as I am sure Shane will be happy to have this person behind the dogs. We have worked hard to address suggestions/complaints on this forum and we have put in place some of the best competitions and prize structures for terriers, whippets and lurchers anywhere in Ireland or the UK. ANd we have tried to give real value for money in terms of admission charges to those who support our shows. Can I ask that suggestions for our organisers are pmed to them or me and let's concentrate on improving the events by this method. Albertj Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,041 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 At the Whippet Racing Clubs that I attend, all the workers and organisers, (handicapper, trap man, starter, judges, etc.), run their dogs !! If they didn't the clubs wouldn't exist !! Racing isn't like showing, it's not one mans opinion on what is the prettiest dog ! It's the fastest dog on the day, no matter WHO owns it. Cheers. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Forrest Gump 10 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner? Hi forrest gump Its not just weather the dog is running to his owener or running for the lure i seen i dog get hurt because of somone standing at the finsh line last year at shanes castle.just saying would be alot safer to stand at the side line and wait till the dogs had finshed not only that there is a bit of a dip were they race at shanes castle and the dogs lose sight of the lure for a few seconds would hate to see the dogs looking up to find it again to see a man waveing and shouting were there heading for . Hi Sammy, i get where you're coming from now, that would be awful to see happen,also people could get caught up in the heat of the moment and forget that where they are standing is where the dogs will come flying in, in only a matter of seconds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 apart from the racing how was birr last year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shane-1 31 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) thanks for replys lads....i will say one think and please note its not becos its my brothers and familys dogs [she is the pits]bd bitch tat won the under 24inchs at birr is unbeaten in this country and tat is fact she runs at [roscrea ]drag unbeaten [enniscorthy] unbeaten and which enniscorthy knocked under24 last year and had under25 and the bitch won this aswel i can also say this bitch could run in the under 23inchs but the sporting people they r they would n run the bitch...the bitch [if only]blk bitch only dog tat beat this bitch was my own dog [scooby] another dog very well knowing for his racing...if only has won the last two drag racing meetings and this involves 32 big dogs at five runs in the day dogs from all over ireland come to these meetings...these to bitches speak for themselfs so for anyone to say there was cheating took place at birr is unreal small talk....best wishes to everyone for 2012 i hope this explains for people who r sitting on the fence who was not there to experiance the racing at birr 2011 Edited February 8, 2012 by shane-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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