questions for albertj

[sammy56 1]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

[AlbertJ 569]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

 

Sammy,

 

Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time.

 

Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete.

 

I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club.

 

Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators.

 

At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm .

 

Albertj

[sammy56 1]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

 

Sammy,

 

Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time.

 

Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete.

 

I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club.

 

Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators.

 

At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm .

 

Albertj

 

Thank you for your reply but you dont seem to get what im saying ! the man in question is not just there to get his dog at the end of the race he is there so his dog runs to him !i seen many people waiting at the side line to get there dog . as for roscrea club there was a few remarks that there own club members were cheating last year. And also do they all get access to the fair for free ? Do they get payed for running the racing for you ? If so do you think it is fair that they then go on to win after everyone else has payed to attend your fair. I notice alot of people at shanes game fair wearing pins that meant that they got in for free even that girl that takes the pics thought maybe her and her whole family got in for free cause she was taking phots for you but when you look at them they are all of friends and family why did she and her whole family get in for free? It just looks like if you are friendly with you then you can do what you want at these shows rules shound be put in place and stuck to . thank you sammy

[AlbertJ 569]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

 

Sammy,

 

Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time.

 

Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete.

 

I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club.

 

Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators.

 

At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm .

 

Albertj

 

Thank you for your reply but you dont seem to get what im saying ! the man in question is not just there to get his dog at the end of the race he is there so his dog runs to him !i seen many people waiting at the side line to get there dog . as for roscrea club there was a few remarks that there own club members were cheating last year. And also do they all get access to the fair for free ? Do they get payed for running the racing for you ? If so do you think it is fair that they then go on to win after everyone else has payed to attend your fair. I notice alot of people at shanes game fair wearing pins that meant that they got in for free even that girl that takes the pics thought maybe her and her whole family got in for free cause she was taking phots for you but when you look at them they are all of friends and family why did she and her whole family get in for free? It just looks like if you are friendly with you then you can do what you want at these shows rules shound be put in place and stuck to . thank you sammy

 

Sammy,

 

As I don't really listen to hearsay. As I said if anyone has a complaint about how an event is run at any of our shows they can PM me and I will take it up with the organisers. We had a large number of people compliment the Rosscrea Club on their organising of the event and I personally have not seen a harder working group who put a good team in to prepare the track and who helped us steward the terrier and lurcher area on Sunday. I was impressed with their team effort which is why they will be running the show as well in 2012.. If I thought they cheated I would not have given them this extra responsibility. Matt Lee remains joint Terrier & Lurcher Director at Birr with Shane and he will the present to not only run the terrier & lurcher arena demos but also to help out where he can with show and racing.

 

I can assure you that no-one gets free admission to the fairs for 'being friendly with me' not even my close friends. In fact they would be amused at this assertion because most of them are 'press ganged' into doing more for the shows than the tickets are worth! AND of course for the last two years we have effectively given everyone half price admission to our events with the FREE ticket for Shanes with tickets purchased at Ballywalter. This year people purchasing adult tickets for Ballywalter at £10 will get a £5 voucher off the ticket for Shanes and a €10 voucher off the ticket price for Birr. A family purchasing an adult ticket at Ballywalter for £25 gets a £15 Voucher off the price of the family ticket at Shanes and a €20 voucher off the price of an adult ticket for Birr.

 

As I also said I have seen people at the end of the track catching their dogs at other shows. From my own knowledge of dogs over 50 years I would doubt that calling a dog will make it run quicker than chasing something. My own dogs gordon setters and golden retrievers are trained to be very whistle responsive but the settter goes out quicker when asked to hunt and the golden would go out quicker on a retrieve. I suspect lurchers would be similar. But again how people at the end of the track are managed is a decision for the club running the racing .

[Martin Tucker 23]

Season hasn`t even begun yet and it`s already starting......................... ! Hopefully not a sign of things to come ?

[shane-1 31]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

 

Sammy,

 

Happy to answer the questions as best I can at this time.

 

Firstly the Rosscrea Club are only running the racing and showing at Birr. Matt Lee Snr & Jnr - no relations - are running the events at Ballywalter & Shanes. We have always alllowed club members of the organising club to run their dogs in the racing as the racing is a performance test and not based on personal preference. It is similar to all the other performance related events at our fairs i.e club members of the gundog clubs running the gundog tests can and do enter their dogs ; clay shooters from the organising club compete and fly casters from the angling clubs can also compete.

 

I have just had our planning meeting regarding Ballywalter & Shanes and full details will be posted soon. I have not met with the Rosscrea Club regarding Birr 2012 yet but will be having this within the next 6 weeks. If you ar anyone else have any complaints about how it was run in 2011 please pm me with them and I will take them up with the club.

 

Regarding handlers going to the end of the track to catch their dogs we have not addressed for Shanes yet but thank you for raising it. I have seen it happen at a number of events and I can see some merit in it in terms of dog welfare in that the dog can be caught up quickly and thus minimise the risk to the dog, other dogs and spectators.

 

At Birr 2011 the club decided that the track should be completely fenced off ( again something proposed for Shanes & Ballywalter) and this meant that handlers were not allowed at the end of the track. Again I welcome views on this preferably by pm .

 

Albertj

 

Thank you for your reply but you dont seem to get what im saying ! the man in question is not just there to get his dog at the end of the race he is there so his dog runs to him !i seen many people waiting at the side line to get there dog . as for roscrea club there was a few remarks that there own club members were cheating last year. And also do they all get access to the fair for free ? Do they get payed for running the racing for you ? If so do you think it is fair that they then go on to win after everyone else has payed to attend your fair. I notice alot of people at shanes game fair wearing pins that meant that they got in for free even that girl that takes the pics thought maybe her and her whole family got in for free cause she was taking phots for you but when you look at them they are all of friends and family why did she and her whole family get in for free? It just looks like if you are friendly with you then you can do what you want at these shows rules shound be put in place and stuck to . thank you sammy

hi sammy my name is shane lee im the sect of the roscrea working dog social club...can u please explain wat sort of cheating went on at the racing at birr last year please and thank u..it was r first year working wit albert and his team which was very injoying also for the time and efford tat goes intoo these game fairs and for small minded people to come on bitching weak in weak out for god sake...wit out albert and his team there would in be game fairs in ireland[ FACT]....CAN I JUST ASK SAMMY WAT AVENTS DO U BE INVOLVED IN....

[top hat 127]

i wonder what sammys other user names are on here

[Forrest Gump 10]

Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner?

[top hat 127]

Why would it matter if the owner was stood at the end of the track or not, surely the aim of the game is to see who has the fastest dog does it really matter what they are running for,lure or owner?

i think it only matters if all the owners are allowed at the finish line.The point is that only one dog owner was allowed at the finish line

[Forrest Gump 10]

if a dog is fast enough it will beat the rest whether all the other owners were up the top or not JMO,

Edited February 8, 2012 by Forrest Gump

[Leeview 791]

If organising clubs were commited to running the racing their members should be too busy to run their own dogs and that would rule out any inference of cheating going on

Clubs have to decide are we organising the racing or entering the racing? should nt be able to do both

Y.I.S Leeview

Edited February 7, 2012 by Leeview

[whip x grey 276]

crap,,,,,when clubs hold opens ,,championships,yours saying they dont have time to run there dogs,,,offcouse they do,,,and should do

 

as whats the point,,,i work at scottish derby,,,and i race,,,,if i wasnt aloud to race due to plls saying i work and shouldnt be aloud,,then somone would have to take my place,,,as i wouldnt show up ,,end off

 

it been done that way for years,,u work,,u should always be aloud to race ,,,,if anyone had a problem with it,,,then they can always put themself forward,, if they aint happy lol

Edited February 7, 2012 by whip x grey

[shane-1 31]

If organising clubs were commited to running the racing their members should be too busy to run their own dogs and that would rule out any inference of cheating going on

Clubs have to decide are we organising the racing or entering the racing? should nt be able to do both

Y.I.S Leeview

birr racing went of like clock work yes r know leanne as soon as the lure was at top was the quad bike not down within a min r two...YES R NO

we ave 30members in R CLUB it might take tat amount in your club but it sure does not in r club and anyone useing commen sence would know there would n be enough work for 30members did u race at birr may i ask...and can i please ask for those people wit open mind and who said ROSCREA WORKING DOG SOCIAL CLUB done a EXCELLENT job on the day...for the amount of organising tat goes on to get field ready ect ect...then u turn around and say we should not run dogs is disgraceful on your behalf...i must say i did not run my dogs on the day...

[mintstick999 485]

HI AIBERT

I see that the roscrea club are runnning most of the racing at this years game fairs will they be aloud to race their own dogs like they did in birr i see they won most of the racing that day .you dont see the judges dog in the show ring so why are there dogs aloud to race?.Also the man that won the race at shanes( sorry dont know his name) way is he aloud to leave his dog with a young boy and walk upto the finish line and wave and shout to his dog no one else did why was he aloud?

 

Would be nice if you could answer these few questions.

 

 

sammy

 

In answer to the bloke waving or calling his dog up the track, you should take a look at the people who run their dogs every week in the non peds, the screaming that goes one when they are encouraging the dogs is deafening. can't see anything wrong with it myself, it's nothing different than guys standing on the side lines of a football match, shouting for their teams..imo.

[Dazzam 239]

Any dog that is winning races against other well bred racing dogs on a regular basis isn't running to it's owner at the end of the lure. Can't see why anyone organising a race wouldn't want someone at the end of the race catching a dog whether it is the owner or not unless it is a dig at someone.

 

The non-peds have rules for how races are run, but over here each club or organiser runs it the way they want maybe thats were alot of the problems arise.