Why use X in a lurcher ?

[Sela 0]

Hi, I have been reading quite a bit on this forum and I have heard of some very interesting X's but as a newbie here I have a few questions and I would appreciate it if all the people in the know help with these issues and questions I have . Let start of with a short description of what is a lurcher ?

 

Lurcher : WHippet or greyhound as a base and the anything else crossed with it makes a lurcher ?

Why do you use certain X's and not other for example

Why use a bedlington and not an airdale ?

Why a collie and not a kelpie ?

Why a bull and not a staffie ?

Why a whippet ?

Why a greyhound ?

What will you use for a better( brilliant ) nose on a dog ?

Why dont use gundogs like GWP and Springers etc more ?

 

My understanding is a whippet has the acceleration and n grey the topspeed thats why you x the 2 . Am i right ?

 

What I am trying to say is can someone please explain to my why do you x certain dogs with each other and why you dont x other dogs with each other ?

Lets call it a 101 on lurchers and crosses explained to keen newbie like my and to clarify a few things.

 

Really looking forward to your replies.

[3 Turns 326]

QUCK OFF PERMANENTLY.

[thievesandscousers 8]

Your best buying a book matey. for beginners.

Because the answers you will get here off all the uprising top born hunters will be mindboogling and piss taking.

As for the " Why a bull and not a staffie " staffs are used, all bulls are used.

I end, i sit back, and i await the answers. This is going to be a barrage of crap.

[Sela 0]

Do you think it is because they don' t really know them selves or what?

I dont really want a book I want to learn from people with experience that know what they are talking about and not taking the mickey!

[DogFox123 1,379]

Your best buying a book matey. for beginners.

Because the answers you will get here off all the uprising top born hunters will be mindboogling and piss taking.

As for the " Why a bull and not a staffie " staffs are used, all bulls are used.

I end, i sit back, and i await the answers. This is going to be a barrage of crap.

 

Is it April fools yet

[honesthunter 13]

well, some are well established, proven crosses like the collie and bull crosses, you could go ahead and use an airedale over a greyhound and see what happens, i expect it would kill most anything but i am sure it would have downsides too, all crosses have downsides but the people that run them are rarely honest about these failings i run a proper mish mash, saluki x grey x deer x collie, with some whippet back in the line somewhere, if i am perfectly honest she aint all that, fast as hell and can stick with rabbits brilliantly, but she needs alot of practice on her strike, her catch ratio is worse than embarrassing and its all my fault, she never got enough work and has never run properly next to made dogs, also soft as puppy shit, never going to be a fox killing machine, and i doubt she has the wieght for deer, not to mention the heart, i personally wouldn't recommend this cross because she is all about self preservation, which does nothing for me, im not saying that i want a dog that will heedlessly smash into obstacles for a bunny or whatever, but she pussy foots about and doesn't like little prickles. my next dog will be a bull x (or some terrier) because i can handle dogs that just want to kill stuff, but find it very frustrating when the dog just doesn't want to know. as yet she hasn't seen a hare, i believe this is what she will be good at, but i am a gamekeeper and we have other priorities. at the end of the day, if you put the work in, most crosses will work out ok. i have even seen rotty crosses that were acceptably good, not great, but good. running dog people love to debate which cross is the best, but as far as i can tell nobody can agree, and therefore i look at it as, if you get a pup off working parents whatever breed or cross, it should be ok. plus nearly every litter throws a dud or two. so it simply isn't worth the bother arguing because there will always be a bad example to go with the good examples.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Hi, I have been reading quite a bit on this forum and I have heard of some very interesting X's but as a newbie here I have a few questions and I would appreciate it if all the people in the know help with these issues and questions I have . Let start of with a short description of what is a lurcher ?

 

Lurcher : WHippet or greyhound as a base and the anything else crossed with it makes a lurcher ?

Why do you use certain X's and not other for example

Why use a bedlington and not an airdale ?

Why a collie and not a kelpie ?

Why a bull and not a staffie ?

Why a whippet ?

Why a greyhound ?

What will you use for a better( brilliant ) nose on a dog ?

Why dont use gundogs like GWP and Springers etc more ?

 

My understanding is a whippet has the acceleration and n grey the topspeed thats why you x the 2 . Am i right ?

 

What I am trying to say is can someone please explain to my why do you x certain dogs with each other and why you dont x other dogs with each other ?

Lets call it a 101 on lurchers and crosses explained to keen newbie like my and to clarify a few things.

 

Really looking forward to your replies.

 

Why do some people drive a focus and others a astra? Some people just like to be different, a lot of the more exotic crosses are usually made by wannabes who think they have done something new, when the fact is its been done before and they are not as good as for example the good old collie cross!

[thievesandscousers 8]

Do you think it is because they don' t really know them selves or what?

I dont really want a book I want to learn from people with experience that know what they are talking about and not taking the mickey!

 

 

There are a few guys on here who could put you in the picture, and fems, however you maybe waiting along time. As the majority never answer on the forum, due to the years of bullshit and abuse dished out by wannabe hunters. Example, the post above, is it april fools yet. Not quite sure what he is implying but i would surgest he is no older that 20, and couldnt answer the question himself, so the garbage is typed. Only trying to help you mate from sorting through the shit to the good. Why dont you answer i hear the rioters say, well simple, i have a 100 times on here over the years and in the field, yet still the kids prevail and know better and are much wiser.

[DogFox123 1,379]

Do you think it is because they don' t really know them selves or what?

I dont really want a book I want to learn from people with experience that know what they are talking about and not taking the mickey!

 

 

There are a few guys on here who could put you in the picture, and fems, however you maybe waiting along time. As the majority never answer on the forum, due to the years of bullshit and abuse dished out by wannabe hunters. Example, the post above, is it april fools yet. Not quite sure what he is implying but i would surgest he is no older that 20, and couldnt answer the question himself, so the garbage is typed. Only trying to help you mate from sorting through the shit to the good. Why dont you answer i hear the rioters say, well simple, i have a 100 times on here over the years and in the field, yet still the kids prevail and know better and are much wiser.

 

I don't know if I read your post correctly, we're you implying staffs are as good as bulls? If you think reading a book is going to give you all the answers it shows you are about 5 and never seen any lurcher work

[Sela 0]

well, some are well established, proven crosses like the collie and bull crosses, you could go ahead and use an airedale over a greyhound and see what happens, i expect it would kill most anything but i am sure it would have downsides too, all crosses have downsides but the people that run them are rarely honest about these failings i run a proper mish mash, saluki x grey x deer x collie, with some whippet back in the line somewhere, if i am perfectly honest she aint all that, fast as hell and can stick with rabbits brilliantly, but she needs alot of practice on her strike, her catch ratio is worse than embarrassing and its all my fault, she never got enough work and has never run properly next to made dogs, also soft as puppy shit, never going to be a fox killing machine, and i doubt she has the wieght for deer, not to mention the heart, i personally wouldn't recommend this cross because she is all about self preservation, which does nothing for me, im not saying that i want a dog that will heedlessly smash into obstacles for a bunny or whatever, but she pussy foots about and doesn't like little prickles. my next dog will be a bull x (or some terrier) because i can handle dogs that just want to kill stuff, but find it very frustrating when the dog just doesn't want to know. as yet she hasn't seen a hare, i believe this is what she will be good at, but i am a gamekeeper and we have other priorities. at the end of the day, if you put the work in, most crosses will work out ok. i have even seen rotty crosses that were acceptably good, not great, but good. running dog people love to debate which cross is the best, but as far as i can tell nobody can agree, and therefore i look at it as, if you get a pup off working parents whatever breed or cross, it should be ok. plus nearly every litter throws a dud or two. so it simply isn't worth the bother arguing because there will always be a bad example to go with the good examples.

Thanks for the honesty mate. That is exactly what I want to hear. I dont want the bullshit and what not. I mean we are all here because we love dogs and love huntin with them so why not just share the knowledge and maybe one day we will have the perfect hunting machine . I have a deerhound x boergreyhound it still young only 6 months old 26" tts and she looks like a brilliant dog very good nose and I like this because I want her to track game if I need her to and catch other game if I need , but I can see from this early age that there is no way that she will have the speed that I was hoping for and I know she is still young but still. I am ok with this but I am definitely going x her till I find something that works and if it doesnt then that is fine I will learn something that I will share with people if asked. So lets see where this tread is going . Haha

[bonone 11]

I agree with thuevesandscousers get a few books and read read read its the best way to learn about which x and why it will also (if you are a noobie) help you understand how to train it properly which is a bonus when you get one and take it out.

 

As for you asking bout xsing this with that a "TRUE" lurcher as I understand was a greyhound x with im led to believe a collie type dog, back in the days of old only lords etc were allowed to own pure bred greys not to say your commoner couldn't but if they did the toes would have to have something done to them can't remember if it was to break them or remove a few so that they couldn't run game??

 

Now the way I see it at some point someone must of out xsd the breed to maybe a whippet collie cur or a local mongrel and got a dog shorter than a grey but with a bit of pace to catch gear to feed the family. When the coppers of the day caught these folk the dogs not a greyhound but kind of resembles one so cannot charge them so to speak, if you get me?

 

From this imagine your poacher Paul out and about comes across this thing looks like a bunny but loads faster dogs left behind cannot get near it poacher Paul sits and thinks how he can catch it, hence out crossing again to maybe a whippet for the shear take off speed to close the hare down soon as it lifts out of its seat obviously as time goes by poacher Paul and his mates start telling stories about there runs then go out to see who's dogs best.

 

As it happens Paul and his mate Dave have the two better dogs over their mates so line them, they sell their other pals a few pups and keep one each turn out decent but seem to lack that extra gear to catch a hare in full flight, that's where Tom comes along with this skinny beast which plods along after the hare no matter where it goes or how long it runs it just can't get away, poacher Paul says he wants this dog to put over his now adult dog so they do now they got this birds this n that going out killing alot more gear as its got wind to run prey into the ground (saluki), take off speed(whippet), brains off the collie for flushing prey out of cover and seeming to know where the preys going to go and greyhound as the base line for just gruelling pace.

 

That's how I see it, may be wrong but I've always looked at dogs like this I think what do I run and get a dog for exactly that job, no point having a gwp x whip x grey to go down the fens!! I believe the bull has been introduced to add fire and heart they seem to be fearless I only have to look at my little birch for this she will av a go at anything just remember loads of people will take the piss in here read books ask yourself what youl want the dog to be used for and look for the bred dog you need before buying any old crap to get rid of when it don't live uptovyour expectations I live by these words " you get out what you put in" people may dissagree with sone of what I put im not the dog whisperer or font of all knowledge its just how I interprate what a lurcher is....hope this helps you out a bit mate atb

[thievesandscousers 8]

Do you think it is because they don' t really know them selves or what?

I dont really want a book I want to learn from people with experience that know what they are talking about and not taking the mickey!

 

 

There are a few guys on here who could put you in the picture, and fems, however you maybe waiting along time. As the majority never answer on the forum, due to the years of bullshit and abuse dished out by wannabe hunters. Example, the post above, is it april fools yet. Not quite sure what he is implying but i would surgest he is no older that 20, and couldnt answer the question himself, so the garbage is typed. Only trying to help you mate from sorting through the shit to the good. Why dont you answer i hear the rioters say, well simple, i have a 100 times on here over the years and in the field, yet still the kids prevail and know better and are much wiser.

 

I don't know if I read your post correctly, we're you implying staffs are as good as bulls? If you think reading a book is going to give you all the answers it shows you are about 5 and never seen any lurcher work

 

 

Here you go.....i surgest you go read again before you comment. I said all kinds of bulls are used, staff, english, pit. All for different things, lol 5. I have owned and worked every bullx there is my sonnyjim. Never did i say which was better than the other, as they are used for different quarry young man,

[chartpolski 23,028]

Hi, I have been reading quite a bit on this forum and I have heard of some very interesting X's but as a newbie here I have a few questions and I would appreciate it if all the people in the know help with these issues and questions I have . Let start of with a short description of what is a lurcher ?

 

Lurcher : WHippet or greyhound as a base and the anything else crossed with it makes a lurcher ?

Why do you use certain X's and not other for example

Why use a bedlington and not an airdale ?

Why a collie and not a kelpie ?

Why a bull and not a staffie ?

Why a whippet ?

Why a greyhound ?

What will you use for a better( brilliant ) nose on a dog ?

Why dont use gundogs like GWP and Springers etc more ?

 

My understanding is a whippet has the acceleration and n grey the topspeed thats why you x the 2 . Am i right ?

 

What I am trying to say is can someone please explain to my why do you x certain dogs with each other and why you dont x other dogs with each other ?

Lets call it a 101 on lurchers and crosses explained to keen newbie like my and to clarify a few things.

 

Really looking forward to your replies.

 

OK, I've got a few spare minutes, so I'll try and give MY answers to your questions, which I STRESS, are only MY opinions.

 

1, Yes Whippet and Greyhound are the usual base breeds for Lurchers, for one reason only..SPEED. But I find that Saluki and Deerhound are also being used more and more as a base breed.

 

2, Certain crosses are used for various reasons, the most obvious is the quarry they work, the land they run, and of course, personal preference.

 

3, Airedales ARE used, but not as popular as Bedlingtons. Beddys are, I think, the only terrier with the shape and speed to go with their heart, to be used as a Lurcher X.

 

4, Kelpies Are used, but Collies are more available and proven.

 

5, As said, ALL Bull breeds are used.

 

6, Whipet & Greyhound are used simply to put speed into the cross.

 

7, Deerhound, Bedlington, Collie, etc. all add "nose" to a Lurcher.

 

8, HPR types ARE used in Lurcher crosses, such as GSP.s Labs, etc.

 

9, Whippet x Greyhound, (Grews, Non-Peds, whatever you want to call them), are in my mind, the fastest running dogs available, and are being used more and more in Lurcher crosses.

 

I hope this goes some way to answering your questions, and again, I STRESS, these are only MY views; others will have different views.

 

Cheers.

[*ferrifleboy 19]

If your like me and don't do books, try looking on the Internet. Best of to do a general read up on lurchers/longdogs, benefits/reasons of the crosses and what individual breeds bring to a cross etc. Then try to post again with more specific questions.. ATB

[Sela 0]

I agree with thuevesandscousers get a few books and read read read its the best way to learn about which x and why it will also (if you are a noobie) help you understand how to train it properly which is a bonus when you get one and take it out.

 

As for you asking bout xsing this with that a "TRUE" lurcher as I understand was a greyhound x with im led to believe a collie type dog, back in the days of old only lords etc were allowed to own pure bred greys not to say your commoner couldn't but if they did the toes would have to have something done to them can't remember if it was to break them or remove a few so that they couldn't run game??

 

Now the way I see it at some point someone must of out xsd the breed to maybe a whippet collie cur or a local mongrel and got a dog shorter than a grey but with a bit of pace to catch gear to feed the family. When the coppers of the day caught these folk the dogs not a greyhound but kind of resembles one so cannot charge them so to speak, if you get me?

 

From this imagine your poacher Paul out and about comes across this thing looks like a bunny but loads faster dogs left behind cannot get near it poacher Paul sits and thinks how he can catch it, hence out crossing again to maybe a whippet for the shear take off speed to close the hare down soon as it lifts out of its seat obviously as time goes by poacher Paul and his mates start telling stories about there runs then go out to see who's dogs best.

 

As it happens Paul and his mate Dave have the two better dogs over their mates so line them, they sell their other pals a few pups and keep one each turn out decent but seem to lack that extra gear to catch a hare in full flight, that's where Tom comes along with this skinny beast which plods along after the hare no matter where it goes or how long it runs it just can't get away, poacher Paul says he wants this dog to put over his now adult dog so they do now they got this birds this n that going out killing alot more gear as its got wind to run prey into the ground (saluki), take off speed(whippet), brains off the collie for flushing prey out of cover and seeming to know where the preys going to go and greyhound as the base line for just gruelling pace.

 

That's how I see it, may be wrong but I've always looked at dogs like this I think what do I run and get a dog for exactly that job, no point having a gwp x whip x grey to go down the fens!! I believe the bull has been introduced to add fire and heart they seem to be fearless I only have to look at my little birch for this she will av a go at anything just remember loads of people will take the piss in here read books ask yourself what youl want the dog to be used for and look for the bred dog you need before buying any old crap to get rid of when it don't live uptovyour expectations I live by these words " you get out what you put in" people may dissagree with sone of what I put im not the dog whisperer or font of all knowledge its just how I interprate what a lurcher is....hope this helps you out a bit mate atb

 

Nice one mate ! I am not totally new to this I am young but I have been around dogs my whole life and had quite a few. I have 5 at the moment. I live on a farm so its a bit of a different lifestyle than many other folk. I mainly hunt rabbits and feral cats and other stuff that catches out chickens etc. we are planning to get more sheep and there are jackal around so this is something I want to target in the future my dogs have to run between fruit orchards and on the open field as well so I have a certain things I want the dog to be able to do. For in stance I have a parsons Jack Russell and she is a monster. She attacks anything and has this way of finding stuff that you never knew was there . She will climb an acacia tree which has pretty big thorns to a height of 3 meters to get hold of a feral cat but she lack speed. I am after decent info so i can hopefully have a few allrounder x dogs that can do everything I want and be nice dogs to have around as well. Maybe I am after to much hey !