Glyn..... 5,208 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 his best old stuff probably 15 year ago... some of hios original stuf came off likes as buck breat phelan them types i beleive an phelan had some top stuff at time so a beleive.. With the greatest of respect, I suspect you'll find that PP's dogs came from Brian rather than the other way round. For example PP's Poker.... a dog which earned itself something of a reputation, was born in October 1975 and bred by Brian. Poker was the result of mating Penny and Punch, both of which were owned by Brian and which I saw work and dug to on countless occasions. Penny's Grandfather was Kipper (of Breay lines) later owned by W.W. then terrierman to the Grove and Rufford and Punch's Grandfather was Rusty (Breay), both of which feature in Plummer's Fell Terrier book... So yes there certainly was a fair bit of Mr Breay and FB's breeding in there, but that was almost 40 years back. Speaking from personal experience (rather than hearsay), I was always very impressed with the way both Penny and Punch worked, as I was with all of Brian's dogs at that time when there were none of the quarry restrictions that exist today. So when Brian was kind enough to offer to give me (not sell) a choice of bitch puppies out of that same litter as Poker, I almost snatched his hand off. She was a smooth black bitch I called Judy, who did me good service throughout the whole of her life and never once looked back right up until her death in March 1982. If I had to any criticism whatsoever to offer of those lines, it would be that some of the bitches could on occasions be a little too hard for their own good particularly with foxes (thinking they were a match for every one), but then rather like the dogs they were 100% rock solid and sensible when dealing with anything more formidable. J.M.H.O. - Barrie Barrie i wasn't as lucky as you, i never saw penny punch ,by the time i was getting a black un, people where digging to grand pups of punch and penny out of poker and blitz2 and its from them i got a pup and line bred,they are just right for where i hunt,and i like a larger terrier, the mix of blood Brian started with produced tiny bordery to 25lb pitbulls,types and many lines/familys started from this blood,which give great scope to the so-called nuttall type, what Brian now has is what he set out to breed from this mix of border/lakie/pitbull he got from grandad mixed with 8+B line, the larger terrier i like where Brians wastage because thats not the type he can use,the man has breed some grt terriers and a lot of families of terriers have there roots from the those first crosses he made, but only Brian Nuttall breeds BRIAN NUTTALL Terriers so ask him about old/new lol Link to post
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 HA HA classic barrie.... i like a man way a bit of FACT.... oldtimer he has just put you in your place.... man i knows father dug over brians dogs too like 25 years ago still has them in his yard today I'm just an old fart that happened to be around at that time and who's always tried to keep accurate records before Altzheimers steps in (that's why the house looks like a tip )..... but with all the good will in the world it is very easy to innocently get misled by hearsay and for that to get passed on with good intention as if it were fact. Link to post
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Barrie i wasn't as lucky as you, i never saw penny punch ,by the time i was getting a black un, people where digging to grand pups of punch and penny out of poker and blitz2 and its from them i got a pup and line bred................................................ only Brian Nuttall breeds BRIAN NUTTALL Terriers, so ask him about old/new lol You're so right Glyn..... I think both you and Bosun have hit the nail right on the head there . I sometimes get confused between Blitz, Blitz 2 etc, as not everyone tends to record such things in the same manner and never having owned either myself. But I did have the full brother (possibly litter brother ?) of one of the Blitz's - a dog called Snapper. You probably saw him in the old days, or at least some of his offsprings. He was by W.A.'s Punch (rather than Brian's) and out of Brian's Penny. Personally I always found the Blitz I'm thinking of a bit excitable (particularly around hounds when wound up themselves), whereas Snapper was the abolute opposite and totally laid back. They bring back very fond memories of much better times. Kindest Regards - Barrie Link to post
Mrquinn 106 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Lol I think he suffers from a lot of chineses wishers how many people on adverts claim to sell nuttall dogs for more than Brian himself as carrags gem said before she had a cull if ever she seen one and when asked the parents she never new saying I will find out i never bought it IMO that's shit information and she never shuld of said that unless she bought the dog direct of him her self and brought it on her self and it failed under her feet How many posts have been on here saying my nuttall dog failed today. I haven't seen one And if mine fail I will be sure to post and let you But to be honest I got a sneaky feeling ther not going to Happy hunting Link to post
Glyn..... 5,208 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Barrie mine are breed down from Blitz2 i asked Brian and he told me penny/punch if i see him again i'll ask which punch lol Link to post
Mrquinn 106 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 And I don't think he put russle blood into them he gets rid of anything over 13 inches .... Under 13 inch or it has to go He also said there's been no bull blood introduced for over 20 Years He has a dog called bully out of flint these dogs produce bully pups I have one He has a dog called Zulu and the difference of pups is easily noticeable mine are anyway ones rough coated and real terrier looking out of Zulu and my one from flint looks like a lil staff And act and look totally different but the main thing is they both work Link to post
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Barrie mine are breed down from Blitz2 i asked Brian and he told me penny/punch if i see him again i'll ask which punch lol I which case I'd bet my left testicle on it being W.A.'s Punch. But those dogs were all pretty much the same lines, owned by a group of friends who shared their dogs between each other, just like true friends and honest dog men do. J.M.H.O. - Barrie Link to post
Barrie 1,325 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 And I don't think he put russle blood into them he gets rid of anything over 13 inches .... Under 13 inch or it has to go He also said there's been no bull blood introduced for over 20 Years He has a dog called bully out of flint these dogs produce bully pups I have one He has a dog called Zulu and the difference of pups is easily noticeable mine are anyway ones rough coated and real terrier looking out of Zulu and my one from flint looks like a lil staff And act and look totally different but the main thing is they both work And I'm wiilling to bet my right testicle to go with the other, that he didn't either. In every conversation I've ever had with Brian over many many years, he's always been quite scathing of Russells and I don't think he'd even consider the idea let alone do it. He did however have a great deal of respect for certain old working strains of Borders, but that's so far back now that it's hardly worthy of discussion. J.M.H.O. - Barrie Link to post
Mrquinn 106 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 What I meant was there is still differences in his dogs in his yard today if you bough 2 of him tomorrow they culd be totally different dogs so how can you lable them old and new stuff when there all different still no family is exactly the same is it and there all not the same type dog So no I don't believe the old and new stuff I will post a pic of the bloodline paper I was given of Brian maybe some of the lads on here no more about brains dogs than Brian Link to post
digging-deep 518 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 heres my dog,, his grandsire is nuttalls Buster, buster was out of Tarmac & Thistle, and Tarmac was directly out of Miner & Kiwi. and brother to my dog Link to post
Guest busterdog Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Fairplay, they look two tidy terriers, a far cry from the shite i've personally seen. Link to post
Mrquinn 106 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Digging deep are you in holland or you just flying the Dutch flag ? Link to post
old timer123 367 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 his best old stuff probably 15 year ago... some of hios original stuf came off likes as buck breat phelan them types i beleive an phelan had some top stuff at time so a beleive.. With the greatest of respect, I suspect you'll find that PP's dogs came from Brian rather than the other way round. For example PP's Poker.... a dog which earned itself something of a reputation, was born in October 1975 and bred by Brian. Poker was the result of mating Penny and Punch, both of which were owned by Brian and which I saw work and dug to on countless occasions. Penny's Grandfather was Kipper (of Breay lines) later owned by W.W. then terrierman to the Grove and Rufford and Punch's Grandfather was Rusty (Breay), both of which feature in Plummer's Fell Terrier book... So yes there certainly was a fair bit of Mr Breay and FB's breeding in there, but that was almost 40 years back. Speaking from personal experience (rather than hearsay), I was always very impressed with the way both Penny and Punch worked, as I was with all of Brian's dogs at that time when there were none of the quarry restrictions that exist today. So when Brian was kind enough to offer to give me (not sell) a choice of bitch puppies out of that same litter as Poker, I almost snatched his hand off. She was a smooth black bitch I called Judy, who did me good service throughout the whole of her life and never once looked back right up until her death in March 1982. If I had to any criticism whatsoever to offer of those lines, it would be that some of the bitches could on occasions be a little too hard for their own good particularly with foxes (thinking they were a match for every one), but then rather like the dogs they were 100% rock solid and sensible when dealing with anything more formidable. J.M.H.O. - Barrie HA HA classic barrie.... i like a man way a bit of FACT.... oldtimer he has just put you in your place.... man i knows father dug over brians dogs too like 25 years ago still has them in his yard today brian bought dogs off phelan an what about all litters brian bought in that werent nowt to do we his stuff yet still peddled them as his stuff??? Link to post
Mrquinn 106 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 IMG code Buster magpie buster mullins this ones from Link to post
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