bob.243 9,236 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 They are like a terminal cancer, St. Paul's cathedral will be a mosque before the end of the century. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 TBH it does sound like the type of story that's either made up or exaggerated to deliberately provoke outrage. Spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin from bristol 95 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 so your impressed with muslims yea ? lol f*****g hell fella calm down before you have a fit if all you got to worry and think about is this shite then you must have a very forfilling life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratreeper 441 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Having read all the quoted articles, I can't see too much to get excited about. With the exception of the Mail article (which is the usual sensationalist crap), they are individual stories (years old) about people not understanding how important guide dogs are to their owners. In all the reported cases, fines were imposed, and the Muslim community have admitted that they need to educate their people more. What was the source of this 'news'? Is the OP a member of the EDL or BNP by any chance? This is just recycled news stories to try and create anti muslim hype. Well everyone has an opinion so I am not looking to force mine on you. But in response, no I am not a member of the BNP or EDL. I am not a mindless racist, I just found the article on a reliable site and since i had relevance to dog owners in a country with an ever increasing Muslim presence I thought it would be of interest. I have (well had, not seen them in ages) Muslim friends, yet there was always friction due to the way they perceived women so I never got very close to be fair. I know it's cultural, I know you form opinions on right and wrong due to how you are raised. But, I cannot see any rational or logical reason why anyone should be exempt from the law because of their religion. I do not think it acceptable that a Muslim can beat their wife (and generally see women as worth half that of a man), hate the Western world whilst living here and generally playing the race/religion card to live by their own laws. It should be one law for all who want to live here, if you don't want to live under those laws then there are other countries to choose from. If you want Sharia law, I think the Middle East still has room left. Have you ever lived in a high Muslim population R. Docks? Because I have and I have seen the way they treat women and how they hate us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratreeper 441 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_1.shtml Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,415 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Blind is the new black!!! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'm not a muslim, nor have I lived in any muslim country. Like many others, I do not want to see the UK become any more muslim............ BUT, that doesn't mean I buy into all the scaremongering and hype that surrounds this issue. As far as I'm concerned, they can do what they like in private (within reason), but I don't want Islam shoved down my throat any more than I want the kind of anti muslim propaganda we are seeing more and more on THL. I don't see how recycling old news stories about sucessful prosecutions for dicrimination against the blind can possibly help anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratreeper 441 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'm not a muslim, nor have I lived in any muslim country. Like many others, I do not want to see the UK become any more muslim............ BUT, that doesn't mean I buy into all the scaremongering and hype that surrounds this issue. As far as I'm concerned, they can do what they like in private (within reason), but I don't want Islam shoved down my throat any more than I want the kind of anti muslim propaganda we are seeing more and more on THL. I don't see how recycling old news stories about sucessful prosecutions for dicrimination against the blind can possibly help anyone. I do get your point, but that article is only 4 days old and I had only just seen it as it had been posted yesterday on Richard Dawkins' website. The point is that Europe in general is becoming more and more lenient to this kind of thing, if any British citizen beat their wife it wouldn't just be put down to 'culture' but it is swept under the rug in the face of religion, which I think is wrong. What happens in our close neighbouring EU countries can be seen as a warning to what can happen here, and we already have Sharia courts etc where women can't get a divorce from violent husbands. Then you can add the honour killings and other violence, the many people who have to tiptoe delicately around issues deemed sensitive to Muslims etc. Like I said I am not a mindless racist, I just don't agree with the way religion is used as a 'get out of jail free card' when others would be treated differently. I haven't lived in a Muslim country either and hopefully never will, I see the Middle East as a terrible place to live and don't see any benefit to incorporating any of their tribal culture in the UK. However I have felt like I have when I live for near Bradford, in a town with a 90% muslim popoulation. I was treated like filth everywhere I went, people would give me dirty looks just for walking past their mosque with my dog and would literally run out of my way. I saw their women having to walk about 5 paces behind and they would start talking Urdu when a white person was near. But I know what 'Gorra' means and a few other insults I could pick out. When they spoke English and they didn't know I could hear you would be shocked at what they teach their kids, I heard one perfectly normal and nice family telling their kids not to trust anyone not in their community. My Muslim friends wouldn't go to that mosque and they told me about the more 'extremist' views preached there, but it isn't an 'extremist minority' when it becomes mainstream teaching, just very few act on it. But if the rest don't act, it doesn't mean they don't disapprove. Don't get me wrong they I am talking about a minority, but I think you need to stop being scared of being branded a racist and visit these areas for yourself to form an opinion. Everyone is scared of racism, it has become completely taboo in the UK now, but there is racism and islamophobia but then there are also genuine reasons to dislike something. I am not scared of standing up for what I believe to be fair, so I will stand by what I have said and say it again, I see Islam as a poisonous belief system that has no place in the modern world and never in the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 R.docks you said yourself you have never lived in a high Muslim populated area and while everyone is entitled to their opinion it's like a mechanic giving his opinion while a surgeon is performing a complex operation. The people that have gave their opinion have gave it on there experiences of having to live with these cancer in our society and I haven't met one person that has had to live with them like how that area is and how they are treated by these people and can see any benefit at all that they bring to a civilised western society. If there way of life was so good why are they here why are there homelands such shitholes? Don't say it's because of coloniasm etc as they have not advanced in nearly 1400 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 R.docks you said yourself you have never lived in a high Muslim populated area NO I didn't. What I said was I'm not a muslim, nor have I lived in any muslim country. Please do not misquote me. and while everyone is entitled to their opinion it's like a mechanic giving his opinion while a surgeon is performing a complex operation. The people that have gave their opinion have gave it on there experiences of having to live with these cancer in our society and I haven't met one person that has had to live with them like how that area is and how they are treated by these people and can see any benefit at all that they bring to a civilised western society. If there way of life was so good why are they here why are there homelands such shitholes? Don't say it's because of coloniasm etc as they have not advanced in nearly 1400 years What I think about muslims isn't really the point, and what gives you the right to suggest that I shouldn't comment? You don't know me, nor do you know how much or little I know about Islam. The point I'm making is that this is sensationalist crap. The stories you've quoted are all old and out of date, and refer to sucessful prosecutions of people who've refused to take guide dogs on buses and in taxis. The original post starting the thread doesn't even refer to the UK. You can keep trotting out the EDL and BNP propaganda all you like; it won't affect my opinion of muslims, but it will effect my opinion of you. It will also continue to make all fieldsports enthusiasts look like racists. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
staffs riffraff 1,068 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 If you want to go picking points I have put up no stories on this thread and you have said before that you haven't had to live with them if I'm wrong I apologise but if MY opinion on these people is not what people want to hear it bit tough it's the truth in my eyes and I never said you shouldn't have an opinion just have one from the horses mouth as surely 99% of us that have first hand experiences aren't wrong we're not all gullible to the DM propaganda are we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R. Docks 154 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 you have said before that you haven't had to live with them NO I haven't. Can't you read english? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yes this may be sensationalism at it's best, but it's f*****g right. Muslims are arrogant, rude and constantly angry, thinking that the world owes them a favour. I can't think of a time that i have ever conversed with a Muslim who hasn't got a chip on their shoulder. I worked in a call centre for a while, customers hailing from the Middle East living here were the worst. Shouty arrogant b*****ds that would spit on you in the street. I've got no time for them, their view on religion is appalling (not that i'm religious in any way). They live their life according to a story book that was written 50 million years ago and is the work of some Knock-Off Nigel who struck lucky when customers took it as gospel. Everything to them is 'unclean' too. But they never f*****g shower themselves, do they? I work in recruitment now working with government funded training courses and getting people back into work etc etc. English get first dibs... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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