Dealing with the Ignorant

[Sjt657 191]

Brilliant ! I had some one the other day exact words ( rabbits are cute so you can't kill them & pigs aren't animals so you can.) !!! Wtf !!!

[Acuspell 329]

Try telling them about the incredible, immorale waste of the supermarkets - over 30,000,000 tonnes of food is wasted every year in this country. Just go round to the back of any supermarket and look in the food skips. It is completely unecessary too. If they can defend that, then it is easy to defend shooting wild creatures fo rthe table where there is no waste whatsoever.

 

The other tack I have taken is to ask them if they think it is OK to eat meat from a butcher. If the answer is yes, then the simply retort is - so it is OK provided someone else does the killing an dpreparation for you, but you don't have the decency or respect for the animal to do it yourself. You would rather pay a hired assisin to do your dirty work for you - they have never thought of it like that before.

 

Sometimes though, we are our own worst enemies. Instead of CULLING rabbits, or pigeons because they are pests - which can be a difficult one to defend sensibly. Why don't we say we are taking a natural harvest? Instead of killing for the sake of it (which is what the word CULL sounds like) we are suddenly linked to blackberry picking! That is something they can relate to. The end result is the same - game pie, but the word used to describe the procurement of the meat portion is just so much more sensitive and in keeping with their feelings.

[3175darren 1,101]

It always amazes me when people put emotions around food, we are the only animals that do it,and it is only a small part of the population that do,which makes me pity them, in the sense that it must be a mental illness rather than rational, that makes them think like that, I always try and be polite saying that that is there way of living, and this is mine, if I have to respect there's then they must repect mine,what gets me is when they go into hitler mode and start dictating to me how it is wrong to kill things,

[chris1wg 24]

poke them in the eye and just carry on on ur way normally works for me aw just show them this lol

[hullhunter 219]

one of my mates was ferreting and this woman came across going sick saying she had seen him badger baiting lol he tryed to tell her what they were up to but she was having none of it.

then one of the ferrets came out of the hole so she grabed the splad and smacked the ferret with it, killing it then said look there is the proof. she then rang the police thinking my mate would get arrested lol and when they came she was arrested.

Edited January 30, 2012 by hullhunter

[3175darren 1,101]

one of my mates was ferreting and this woman came across going sick saying she had seen him badger baiting lol he tryed to tell her what they were up to but she was having none of it.

then one of the ferrets came out of the hole so she grabed the splad and smacked the ferret with it, killing it then said look there is the proof. she then rang the police thinking my mate would get arrested lol and when they came she was arrested.

How stupid can someone get,hope they threw the book at her,hope she was made to pay for the ferret,and they say we are mindless killers it sounds like she was in a frenzy,

atb

darren

[secretagentmole 1,701]

I hope she was reported to the RSPCA for animal cruelty, make them do their job properly!

[Sweeney-Todd 208]

There is already enough negative thoughts and opinions surrounding shooting as it is........be polite.

[ghillies 209]

''have you got a license for that!!!''

 

''do you know it's illigal to hunt!! th wild life and country act forbids it!!''

 

''you cruel bas-tard!!!!''

 

first reply, i theres no such 'licence', there is however a fire arm certificate which does not apply to my legal airgun...(latter add in the power thing, 12fp's etc).

 

second....yes it is illigal hunt, and yes the country side act does prohibit, but...the general licence for.. and... and... sais i can, at some point it'll be remind them thats its aparently them that doesnt know, followed by your trespassing!!

 

third...doesnt matter what you say they'll get into a row with you..ring the police.. when the they arive, or if lol!! dont get pushed into 'your in the rong' and cant you acomadate the trespasser, all in a reasonable tone untill the copper gives up and sais yes theyre trespassing how do you wish to proceed.

a good exsample whilste tolerating their out bursts is to mention the kull sinario, if you dont one species takes over untill theres thousands starving to death, followed by thousands getting kulld, verses shoot half a dozen now...thats 6 verses thousands..hint hint so now who's cruel.

 

if your really in the mood for hoo-ey its ''hey!! thats my dinner you freightened off!!'' when all the ruckus is over theyre quite chuffed they ruined your dinner you A hole!!

 

sit in yu ghillie suit..watch them go by with out laughing hehehehe, or even better apear to one of them, when they turn to the other disapeer..leaves them with 'your seeing things' or what you on about hehehe...twarps!

 

it is them in the rong legaly... you've got legal permision, theyre trespassing...only diference is how you 'pacify' a nurotic.

[Acuspell 329]

Unfortunately the confrontational attitude dsplayed by some of the replies is as ignorant as the people who show a dislike for what we do.

 

We need to hold the moral high ground, not lower ourselves to their level. hence my suggestion of a few, considered, responses. You are carrying a firearm - it is very easy for them to say you threatened them with it, become educated, learn how to speak properly and hold your temper.

Edited January 30, 2012 by Acuspell

[ghillies 209]

Unfortunately the confrontational attitude dsplayed by some of the replies is as ignorant as the people who show a dislike for what we do.

 

We need to hold the moral high ground, not lower ourselves to their level. hence my suggestion of a few, considered, responses. You are carrying a firearm - it is very easy for them to say you threatened them with it, become educated, learn how to speak properly and hold your temper.

 

yup...

[Phantom 631]

It's all well and good bitching about trespassing, but how many people actually know that Trespass is NOT a criminal offence unless certain conditions are met?

For example I used to get a lot off hassle from security when I used to walk across the runways at British Aerospace (as it was back then) because I was "Trespassing". I never gave them any grief but I did point out that they were more than welcome to call the police if they wished. I knew the law better than they did and I know fullwell that the police could not touch me for it. Eventually they gave up comming after me.

Now had I had a camera (it was an MOD installation) they could have made a fuss and made my walks awkward. If I had with me one of my airguns I would have been in very hot water. If I had gone in through their main gates without authority I would be commiting a form of Criminal Trespass (very old law regarding enclosed spaces and courtyards).

 

So seeing someone on our shooting land who is trespassing, we are relying on their ignorance of the law to go in our favour ie: we hope that by telling them they are trespassing we hope they think "Oh crap, I'm breaking the law, I'd best get out of here". Even though they are not.

Generally Trespassing is a CIVIL offense, but how many land owners have the money or the time to take trespassers to civil court?

 

Tony

[paulus 26]

It's all well and good bitching about trespassing, but how many people actually know that Trespass is NOT a criminal offence unless certain conditions are met?

For example I used to get a lot off hassle from security when I used to walk across the runways at British Aerospace (as it was back then) because I was "Trespassing". I never gave them any grief but I did point out that they were more than welcome to call the police if they wished. I knew the law better than they did and I know fullwell that the police could not touch me for it. Eventually they gave up comming after me.

Now had I had a camera (it was an MOD installation) they could have made a fuss and made my walks awkward. If I had with me one of my airguns I would have been in very hot water. If I had gone in through their main gates without authority I would be commiting a form of Criminal Trespass (very old law regarding enclosed spaces and courtyards).

 

So seeing someone on our shooting land who is trespassing, we are relying on their ignorance of the law to go in our favour ie: we hope that by telling them they are trespassing we hope they think "Oh crap, I'm breaking the law, I'd best get out of here". Even though they are not.

Generally Trespassing is a CIVIL offense, but how many land owners have the money or the time to take trespassers to civil court?

 

Tony

just tell em "get the fook of my land"

[Acuspell 329]

It's all well and good bitching about trespassing, but how many people actually know that Trespass is NOT a criminal offence unless certain conditions are met?

For example I used to get a lot off hassle from security when I used to walk across the runways at British Aerospace (as it was back then) because I was "Trespassing". I never gave them any grief but I did point out that they were more than welcome to call the police if they wished. I knew the law better than they did and I know fullwell that the police could not touch me for it. Eventually they gave up comming after me.

Now had I had a camera (it was an MOD installation) they could have made a fuss and made my walks awkward. If I had with me one of my airguns I would have been in very hot water. If I had gone in through their main gates without authority I would be commiting a form of Criminal Trespass (very old law regarding enclosed spaces and courtyards).

 

So seeing someone on our shooting land who is trespassing, we are relying on their ignorance of the law to go in our favour ie: we hope that by telling them they are trespassing we hope they think "Oh crap, I'm breaking the law, I'd best get out of here". Even though they are not.

Generally Trespassing is a CIVIL offense, but how many land owners have the money or the time to take trespassers to civil court?

 

Tony

just tell em "get the fook of my land"

 

 

IS IT your land? Or are you there by invitation too? In my case, yes it is our farm, but so many peole who are given permission to shoot then think they own the place.

[paulus 26]

It's all well and good bitching about trespassing, but how many people actually know that Trespass is NOT a criminal offence unless certain conditions are met?

For example I used to get a lot off hassle from security when I used to walk across the runways at British Aerospace (as it was back then) because I was "Trespassing". I never gave them any grief but I did point out that they were more than welcome to call the police if they wished. I knew the law better than they did and I know fullwell that the police could not touch me for it. Eventually they gave up comming after me.

Now had I had a camera (it was an MOD installation) they could have made a fuss and made my walks awkward. If I had with me one of my airguns I would have been in very hot water. If I had gone in through their main gates without authority I would be commiting a form of Criminal Trespass (very old law regarding enclosed spaces and courtyards).

 

So seeing someone on our shooting land who is trespassing, we are relying on their ignorance of the law to go in our favour ie: we hope that by telling them they are trespassing we hope they think "Oh crap, I'm breaking the law, I'd best get out of here". Even though they are not.

Generally Trespassing is a CIVIL offense, but how many land owners have the money or the time to take trespassers to civil court?

 

Tony

just tell em "get the fook of my land"

 

 

IS IT your land? Or are you there by invitation too? In my case, yes it is our farm, but so many peole who are given permission to shoot then think they own the place.

in most cases i will be acting on instruction from land owners and tenent farmers who are more than happy for me to feck someone off who shouldnt be there normaly after theft or damage. its a simple one really what would they say if i was walking in there back garden without an invitation to do so, and just out of interest my permisions are not just for shooting infact its very rarely i use a gun nowadays preffering the dogs or camera.