Simoman 110 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 To get back to the thread. I think the answer is "no". I do think its a shame when breeds dissapear and from some of the posts on this thread its easy tio see why. Convenience. "when i can guarentee a top class individual from the other breeds in a phone call................ " was one comment Yeah thats what made this country great isn't it. My grandfather had a bull mastiff way before I was born and my mum showed me a picture of her as a toddler riding him. An amazing looking dog that in my opinion has been ruined by the KC. Possibly killed off! Its thanks to folk who do put the time and effort into keeping a breed alive (and fault free) that we have such good working stock now. As for the GSD. Duuring WWII the yanks trained them to attack japanese patrols in the jungle in Malaya and Burma. After a few weeks the dogs stopped coming back to the base. Why? Because the japs started training labs to attack the GSD and they were killing them off. GSD waste of time. Mentally unstable a fraught with problems. Rottweiler. Unstable. I guess we are going to lose a few more breeds in th future. Try looking finding an otter hound. can't pick up the phone for one of those! I hope that we will see a resurgence in the bull Mastiff soon. rgds Swampy bi ning I have no interest in spending 20 years trying to get a decent bullmastiff when i know i can get a decent shepherd etc etc, what that has to do with making this country great i have no idea..........Should we not use saluki blood in lurchers as we should of resurected the old deerhound or wolfhound blood to be patriotic? Labs eating shepherds, of that i have no doubt, but they would have to be dead first Shepherds and rotties unstable??? I think you have just demonstrated your knowledge in one line..... Rubbish ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,281 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) I have no interest in spending 20 years trying to get a decent bullmastiff when i know i can get a decent shepherd etc etc, what that has to do with making this country great i have no idea..........Should we not use saluki blood in lurchers as we should of resurected the old deerhound or wolfhound blood to be patriotic? Labs eating shepherds, of that i have no doubt, but they would have to be dead first Shepherds and rotties unstable??? I think you have just demonstrated your knowledge in one line..... Rubbish ning Must say i agree with Simoman.....sentiment doesnt come into it when you want quality dogs and some breeds are beyond what they can come back from. As an example i remember years ago i went on some Staffordshire Bull Terrier forum and they was all banging on about old time Staffords and long legged staffords,Irish staffords etc etc.....i said that in my opinion the majority of those people owned Staffords because they didnt have the bollocks to break the law and own a Pit Bull......well i was blasted from here to kingdom come they was all raging !.....yet the reality is they wanted their Staffords to look like a Pit Bull,have the physical abilities and guts,heart of a Pit Bull....but in the Breed of Staffordshire Bull Terriers.......why !!! Best dog for the job is best dog for the job a rabbit,fox or whatever your quarry dont care for sentiment and being patriotic to a certain breed......and if you are truly into working dogs,neither should you be ! Edited January 27, 2012 by Simoman 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrCh 856 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I have no interest in spending 20 years trying to get a decent bullmastiff when i know i can get a decent shepherd etc etc, what that has to do with making this country great i have no idea..........Should we not use saluki blood in lurchers as we should of resurected the old deerhound or wolfhound blood to be partiotic? Labs eating shepherds, of that i have no doubt, but they would have to be dead first Shepherds and rotties unstable??? I think you have just demonstrated your knowledge in one line..... Rubbish ning Must say i agree with Simoman.....sentiment doesnt come into it when you want quality dogs and some breeds are beyond what they can come back from. As an example i remember years ago i went on some Staffordshire Bull Terrier forum and they was all banging on about old time Staffords and long legged staffords,Irish staffords etc etc.....i said that in my opinion the majority of those people owned Staffords because they didnt have the bollocks to break the law and own a Pit Bull......well i was blasted from here to kingdom come they was all raging !.....yet the reality is they wanted their Staffords to look like a Pit Bull,have the physical abilities and guts,heart of a Pit Bull....but in the Breed of Staffordshire Bull Terriers.......why !!! Best dog for the job is best dog for the job a rabbit,fox or whatever your quarry dont care for sentiment and being patriotic to a certain breed......and if you are truly into working dogs,neither should you be ! after our conversation I 100% agree with you gnasher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 To get back to the thread. I think the answer is "no". I do think its a shame when breeds dissapear and from some of the posts on this thread its easy tio see why. Convenience. "when i can guarentee a top class individual from the other breeds in a phone call................ " was one comment Yeah thats what made this country great isn't it. My grandfather had a bull mastiff way before I was born and my mum showed me a picture of her as a toddler riding him. An amazing looking dog that in my opinion has been ruined by the KC. Possibly killed off! Its thanks to folk who do put the time and effort into keeping a breed alive (and fault free) that we have such good working stock now. As for the GSD. Duuring WWII the yanks trained them to attack japanese patrols in the jungle in Malaya and Burma. After a few weeks the dogs stopped coming back to the base. Why? Because the japs started training labs to attack the GSD and they were killing them off. GSD waste of time. Mentally unstable a fraught with problems. Rottweiler. Unstable. I guess we are going to lose a few more breeds in th future. Try looking finding an otter hound. can't pick up the phone for one of those! I hope that we will see a resurgence in the bull Mastiff soon. rgds Swampy bi ning I have no interest in spending 20 years trying to get a decent bullmastiff when i know i can get a decent shepherd etc etc, what that has to do with making this country great i have no idea..........Should we not use saluki blood in lurchers as we should of resurected the old deerhound or wolfhound blood to be patriotic? Labs eating shepherds, of that i have no doubt, but they would have to be dead first Shepherds and rotties unstable??? I think you have just demonstrated your knowledge in one line..... Rubbish ning Oh Dear. Read the original thread. GSD and Rotties unstable. Undisputable. Swampy Sensible ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 :laugh: :laugh: We shall have to agree to disagree on this one....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rottphoenix 3 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Rotts unstable.....? The last 10/12 years has seen new kennels established bringing new bloodlines to the Uk and encouraging the more established kennels to do the same and there is a new club-British Rottweiler Sports Dog Club which held the first IPO111 Rott nationals last year, so speaking for rotts there are good ones out there again and from lines where they arnt a one off! The BRSDC is holding two breed surveys-temperment tests that the dog must pass before breeding this year-similar to the ADRKs system-the intention is to encourage the breeding of rotts that are fit for function again, so where there is a will there is a way! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve123 29 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Bullmastiffs have been bred mainly for pets and the show circuit for quite a few generations, 20 years ago i had two that would guard well and liked to come out with the 3/4 greyhound 1/4 whippet, they had a strong prey drive but were very disobedient and not allways under control, they both did well in the showring also as youngsters but eventually the dog started curling his lip at the judges, end of show carreer for them and me as i lost interest in showing. Today they can make a good pet and family orientated deterrent. True guard dogs need to be fit intelligent and above all in this day and age obedient and under control. Ive got a male now who is fit and active but doesnt guard isnt very inteligent and hasnt hunted just a pet and deterrent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,400 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I've one of Plummers original Alaunts here from the first ever litter, just turned ten ( I think without checking), her makeup is 50% bullmastiff the other half bull terrier and greyhound. I bred her twice with a mastiff dog making the pups 3/4 mastiff and the diffrerence to a full mastiff was unbelievable, their faces tightened up, some had a correct bite though most were level only a couple were undershot. They could jump and were a damn sight more biddable. They seem to be longer lived although time will tell. I personally think the faults in any breed caused by dodgy breed standards could be rectified if a group of commited people with time and enthusiasm and most importantly permanent homes where pups could be monitored had a notion to do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gitano 17 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 I've one of Plummers original Alaunts here from the first ever litter, just turned ten ( I think without checking), her makeup is 50% bullmastiff the other half bull terrier and greyhound. I bred her twice with a mastiff dog making the pups 3/4 mastiff and the diffrerence to a full mastiff was unbelievable, their faces tightened up, some had a correct bite though most were level only a couple were undershot. They could jump and were a damn sight more biddable. They seem to be longer lived although time will tell. I personally think the faults in any breed caused by dodgy breed standards could be rectified if a group of commited people with time and enthusiasm and most importantly permanent homes where pups could be monitored had a notion to do it. Some of those Alaunts look the business. Do you have any pix mate? Either the Alaunt or anything they've produced bred with the Mastiff? Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,400 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 I've one of Plummers original Alaunts here from the first ever litter, just turned ten ( I think without checking), her makeup is 50% bullmastiff the other half bull terrier and greyhound. I bred her twice with a mastiff dog making the pups 3/4 mastiff and the diffrerence to a full mastiff was unbelievable, their faces tightened up, some had a correct bite though most were level only a couple were undershot. They could jump and were a damn sight more biddable. They seem to be longer lived although time will tell. I personally think the faults in any breed caused by dodgy breed standards could be rectified if a group of commited people with time and enthusiasm and most importantly permanent homes where pups could be monitored had a notion to do it. Some of those Alaunts look the business. Do you have any pix mate? Either the Alaunt or anything they've produced bred with the Mastiff? Cheers Search alaunt mate, plenty of pictures, check out lietome's posts some nice examples there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern boy 0 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks for all the reply’s to my original post,. The answers sadley seems to be a resounding no. There are no fit bullmastiffs which I think is a real shame. The reason I posted the thread in the first place was a few months ago I nearly took over a country pub. This in the end never happened, but it got me thinking about the best guard dog for the premises. My mate has a lovely rottie bitch, quite small and compact, fit as a fiddle and is soft as cart grease, even with strangers. But I can’t help but notice that he clears the pub every time he walks in with her. When we go for walks people edge past or go running to grab their kids in the park. You would think he was walking around with a fire breathing dragon on the end of the leash! I know this is a media driven thing, and it’s a shame that the rottie has become one of the choise breeds for the average knob head,but you can’t avoid the fact that the dog has an image problem. The next obvious choice is the German Shepherd, ignoring the fact that there seems to be loads of them walking around with weird looking sloping back halves, It was the shepherd bit that concerned me. As I said, I grew up with border collies, (great dogs) the rest of my family all still own them but the amount of exercise these dogs need just to keep in shape is immense. There’s very few people can afford the time with these dogs out side of a farming environment. Would a German shepherd not be the same? after all and I will say it again, are they not just collies with big teeth? Plus I prefer the smooth haired breeds.(just a personal thing) That led me to the bullmastiff. I have to admit that I’m a bit of a tub thumping little Englander, and a traditional English breed would fit perfect with a traditional English business such as running a pub. Reading all the breed traits on various web sites, such as great family pet, great with kids, an almost 6th sense when it comes to protection work, the ability to pull down and hold rather than rip up its foe, intelligent, brave ect. ect. But it seems its all just guff! Did the breed ever have these traits? If so why did it fall out of favour? It seems like the perfect landlords guard dog……oh yeah and does the slobbering pendulous lips just a KC thing.Or do they serve any purpose I saw a Neopolitan Masstiff the other day.. feck me that thing could hardly see, it had so many wrinkles it looked like it had been melted, weren’t these once a war dog or is this just more internet guff!!!! One more thing, boerboels, are these not just better bred and fitter bullmastiffs and if so why are we not breeding them back into our native stock for a better dog, has all interest in the bull mastiff just disapeared. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,699 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 last time i looked boerboels were fetching well over a grand so i dont think there will be too many crosses round,it would pay them to breed pure. there was someone on here with a huge alaunt is it scotsman? what do you want a dog to do as well. ive seen a few alsation x collies that resemble a lightly built alsation and they kick off when a stranger goes near the house/vehicle. i think with most breeds theres been too much breeding for pin money, dogs have been bred for temperment which is good dont get me wrong but some are that soft they could probably be stolen. american bulldogs are another breed that have been ruined by over breeding and breeding from unsuitable stock. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrCh 856 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 A true Boerboel doesn't look like a bullmastiff, its only what the kennels clubs have done to them. The farm bred Boerboels are much more like a Ridgeback with maybe alittle mastiff in. In reality the boerboel is a bandog, mastiff\bull terrier breeding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,281 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I have to admit that I’m a bit of a tub thumping little Englander, and a traditional English breed would fit perfect with a traditional English business such as running a pub. There you go then son.......our national breed of pride,courage,tenacity and determination......................what more could you want in an alround athlete,protector and general pal ! http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bulldog.htm Just about sums up the pride thats left in this country................none ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 gnasher has summed it up for me................. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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