iam a whipxgrey man but the 1st time i was tempted,,,on taking a lurcher lining

[Chid 6,537]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

 

Aye I owned a 5/8 collie greyhound years ago that was breed from reverse 3/4 collie greyhound.

They only thing you could av put the dog to was pure greyhound or they would av lacked pace.

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

your talking fractions not lurchers , if you breed lurcher x lurcher selectivley you will be able to breed dogs suitable for jobs without going back to pure , its been done for years

just to add imo using a greyhound in an established lurcher line is a shortcut in your breeding program

[jarv5116 57]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

 

Aye I owned a 5/8 collie greyhound years ago that was breed from reverse 3/4 collie greyhound.

They only thing you could av put the dog to was pure greyhound or they would av lacked pace.

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

your talking fractions not lurchers , if you breed lurcher x lurcher selectivley you will be able to breed dogs suitable for jobs without going back to pure , its been done for years

 

I disagree with ya but hey ho.

If you breeding dogs half x with half crosses your going end up saturated in collie, bull, beddy or what ever your crossing it with.

And its going lack pace

[Chid 6,537]

 

I disagree with ya but hey ho.

If you breeding dogs half x with half crosses your going end up saturated in collie, bull, beddy or what ever your crossing it with.

And its going lack pace

there you go talking fractions again

if you are getting to much collie/bull ect why not use a good daytime lurcher to increase speed not a greyhound no need to go pure see

[jarv5116 57]

And whats going be in the make up of a good daytime lurcher? A high percentage of running dog as iv already said

[Chid 6,537]

And whats going be in the make up of a good daytime lurcher? A high percentage of running dog as iv already said

running dog yes, but your not going back to pure are you

[jarv5116 57]

And whats going be in the make up of a good daytime lurcher? A high percentage of running dog as iv already said

running dog yes, but your not going back to pure are you

 

read what I said a high percent of running dog or pure

Thats going consist of a very high percent of sighthound be it grey whippet or saluki

[Chid 6,537]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

 

read what I said a high percent of running dog or pure

Thats going consist of a very high percent of sighthound be it grey whippet or saluki

i did but seems you didnt read what YOU wrote

[jarv5116 57]

Why you been a cock its like your tryin piss me aff

[jarv5116 57]

You asked me why and here my reason I said earlier

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

 

The highlighted was from post I wrote to start with why.

Were going round and round the round about and I cant be arsed.

[Chid 6,537]

Why you been a cock its like your tryin piss me aff

if you dont like what you read either dont come on or dont reply lol

because i dont agree with you im a cock

[KittleRox 2,147]

You asked me why and here my reason I said earlier

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

 

The highlighted was from post I wrote to start with why.

Were going round and round the round about and I cant be arsed.

your 1st post was " abit of aggressive chat on here lol " which is ironic lol

 

and your second post was, " if your,re breeding lurchers you are going to have to add sight hound at some point " or words to that effect, no mention of 1/2 x to 1/2 x or 3/4 breds

[jarv5116 57]

You asked me why and here my reason I said earlier

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

 

The highlighted was from post I wrote to start with why.

Were going round and round the round about and I cant be arsed.

your 1st post was " abit of aggressive chat on here lol " which is ironic lol

 

and your second post was, " if your,re breeding lurchers you are going to have to add sight hound at some point " or words to that effect, no mention of 1/2 x to 1/2 x or 3/4 breds

 

look at the first post on this topic.

If your breeding lurchers to lurchers for generations your going need go back to a pure running dog at some point or a very high percentage of running dog.

How you going produce the very high percentage or racey running dog for a out cross in your line

[bunnys 1,228]

just as an incidental to this both my bitches are similar way bred one by a deerhound type lurcher to lurcher line for generations and out of a greyhound, the other by a collie x that can be traced back decades out of a greyhound, both of mine work, both are quick and both retain a lot of the characteristics of the non running dog breed

i agree this his the gleesh of line bred animals over many generations , one can go back to pures and lose nothing of the traits in the line of the xs bred . in anutshell the line bred animal will be dominant in most cases . atb bunnys.

[birddog 1,354]

without wishing to offend anyone i kinda liken this argument to the difference between kc reg and non ped whippets. the way i see it they both originally came from if not the same stock at least very similar, breeding down greyhounds using different blood, in effect small 'lurchers'. some guys whose dogs were quick for sure mated similar to similar, cousin to cousin etc and slowly but surely the kc whippet as we know it was born, these dedicated breeders true to their own beliefs refined what they had and started getting picky looking for the fine coat, the roach back, the rose shaped ears etc ........bingo kc whippet still fast, still handy but now uniform similar size, shape, conformation etc.......another group of guys with the same quick wee 'lurchers' began looking for something else, they too bred close for a while but realised something was missing so they put in a wee bit of fire, they outcrossed back to greyhound, they continued to breed fastest to fastest and bingo...the non ped had arrived, not as pretty, not as uniform, but faster, stronger tougher. like i say i'm not wishing to offend anyone from any camp i'm a big fan of both ......it's just the way i see it

[whip x grey 276]

for ffs guys i only wanted to know how litter was doing.,,,bearing in mind i didnt chase bitch ,,,bitch owner chased me,,over time ,,cos iam pooching dick

 

speed not everything,,left hand,,,,but on right hand it means everything

 

daytime my game,,,lampings others or both

 

thanks otpimas putting up yer house on my word lol

 

but guys ffs i whats the problem off whipx grey mating lurchers,,,if u want ill match anyone dattime with my 5/8ths grey 3/8ths whip crush bitch,,,win or lose i couldnt care less,,,lets not put house on it

 

moo when u get back ,,as ur a busy man,,,ill come out to urs,,,the one thing ,thats been my aim is to get the hunting or pest controllers toghter ,,,hence i think u knoW that

 

iam just a man with a dog