iam a whipxgrey man but the 1st time i was tempted,,,on taking a lurcher lining

[haymin 2,465]

I have been out with bob for a mooch with this bitch more times than anyone else this year and I can tell you this bitch can turn, I have seen her run very rough ground and dense woods while chasing rabbits she has overtaken lurchers while slaloming through trees over broken branches doing a 180 degree turn bypassing the lurchers again even befor they know what's going on. I have yet to see a dog that can match or beat this little bitch on balance, turn, form and stamina. I can only see that as an asset if adding it to a working lurcher, I think something with a bit of raw prey drive, speed and stamina to line this bitch like a grey, saluki with a little touch of bull. What ever it is it will have to be a bit special and just for you haymin if this lining happens I might just end up with 3 dogs lol, so that will be your nose right out of joint lol.

My nose is not out of joint with you getting another pup when your current one is only 7 months old not cought a rabbit and has got a lot of work to do with her spend yir time with what ya have or you'l have 2 mental dogs harper could be a cracking dog and I will try and put you of as much as i can for you not to get it for harpers sake your doing the wrong thing and anybody that knows you should be doing as I am atb

[MOO 730]

WHY ?

[haymin 2,465]

I have been out with bob for a mooch with this bitch more times than anyone else this year and I can tell you this bitch can turn, I have seen her run very rough ground and dense woods while chasing rabbits she has overtaken lurchers while slaloming through trees over broken branches doing a 180 degree turn bypassing the lurchers again even befor they know what's going on. I have yet to see a dog that can match or beat this little bitch on balance, turn, form and stamina. I can only see that as an asset if adding it to a working lurcher, I think something with a bit of raw prey drive, speed and stamina to line this bitch like a grey, saluki with a little touch of bull. What ever it is it will have to be a bit special and just for you haymin if this lining happens I might just end up with 3 dogs lol, so that will be your nose right out of joint lol.

My nose is not out of joint with you getting another pup when your current one is only 7 months old not cought a rabbit and has got a lot of work to do with her spend yir time with what ya have or you'l have 2 mental dogs harper could be a cracking dog and I will try and put you of as much as i can for you not to get it for harpers sake your doing the wrong thing and anYybody that knows you should be doing as I am atb

and to add who ever your getting it from down the road are idiots in given you it it's sire or dam my have one loads of things in the show ring which is cool but come on Scott slow down man

[whip x grey 276]

the 'crush' bitch that bob spoke about.........offers similar good breeding (he owns the sire) her straight line speed is maybe not up to paddy or bens (almost bob's) but it has to be remembered that these 2 brothers are among the top scratch racers in the country perhaps even of a generation. but 'crush' offers a little more maybe because she was raised as a hunter 1st and a racer 2nd, apart from the speed bit she has a high prey drive and is incredibly agile turning as they say on a tanner, she retrieves like a lurcher and isn't afraid of thorns and such........phil lloyd, dave sleight and many others have used non ped, grew, hardblood call it what you will blood into their juckels and when you look into it a little its easy to understand why. as a working lurcher man who raced these types many moons ago the key to success with this type of cross / outcross is to do your homework and pick the right line, some champions have the breeding, the speed, the temperament but not the feet for example.

hopefully i see this for my own eyes next week

 

too true moo

 

ur welcome moo,,,ive invited u before have i not???? and uve invited me ???yes

 

 

come down to mine lets get it on

[jarv5116 57]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

[smallfoot 118]

I and friend have two brothers both dogs out of paddy

I do not work mine however his brother is worked on the lamp

And is doing very good for age and experience

It has great speed and jumps like a kangaroo

Tuff little dog and has taken everything it has been put to

Think the whippet Grey x bring a lot to the mix and with the small amount bill that's in it

Finishes the dog of sweet

 

[birddog 1,354]

I and friend have two brothers both dogs out of paddy

I do not work mine however his brother is worked on the lamp

And is doing very good for age and experience

It has great speed and jumps like a kangaroo

Tuff little dog and has taken everything it has been put to

Think the whippet Grey x bring a lot to the mix and with the small amount bill that's in it

Finishes the dog of sweet

any pics?

[optimus 447]

the 'crush' bitch that bob spoke about.........offers similar good breeding (he owns the sire) her straight line speed is maybe not up to paddy or bens (almost bob's) but it has to be remembered that these 2 brothers are among the top scratch racers in the country perhaps even of a generation. but 'crush' offers a little more maybe because she was raised as a hunter 1st and a racer 2nd, apart from the speed bit she has a high prey drive and is incredibly agile turning as they say on a tanner, she retrieves like a lurcher and isn't afraid of thorns and such........phil lloyd, dave sleight and many others have used non ped, grew, hardblood call it what you will blood into their juckels and when you look into it a little its easy to understand why. as a working lurcher man who raced these types many moons ago the key to success with this type of cross / outcross is to do your homework and pick the right line, some champions have the breeding, the speed, the temperament but not the feet for example.

hopefully i see this for my own eyes next week

 

too true moo

 

ur welcome moo,,,ive invited u before have i not???? and uve invited me ???yes

 

 

come down to mine lets get it on

Bob Patterson never claims to be hawkeye the hunter hes a racing man with an interest in lurchers & i would put my mortgage on his word. Wish there were more like him

[Chid 6,540]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

[birddog 1,354]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

[birddog 1,354]

just as an incidental to this both my bitches are similar way bred one by a deerhound type lurcher to lurcher line for generations and out of a greyhound, the other by a collie x that can be traced back decades out of a greyhound, both of mine work, both are quick and both retain a lot of the characteristics of the non running dog breed

[Chid 6,540]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

[birddog 1,354]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

is that not what the minshaw guys did to produce their excellent dog 'don' ? but remember the qualities that they need out of a lurcher won't suit everyone.......it's back to the old cliche horses for courses

[jarv5116 57]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

 

Aye I owned a 5/8 collie greyhound years ago that was breed from reverse 3/4 collie greyhound.

They only thing you could av put the dog to was pure greyhound or they would av lacked pace.

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

[Chid 6,540]

Doesnt matter with lurchers anyways.

Sonner or later your going need go back to putting a pure running dog into your line at some point or the dogs wont be able run a message.

do you have experiance in this have you or someone you know had to do this ?

 

If your breeding lurchers then at some point ur going have to.

why?

 

Unless ur breeding sight hound type ( saluki x greyhound type) running dogs. ur going need go back to pure running dog at some point

why? give me one valid reason ....

because sooner or later if it's a bull x line or a collie x line as opposed to a sighthound to sighthound line by concentrating on the good qualities of the collie or bull ie the brains or determination your going to concentrate the qualities and therefore the genes of the non running dog, this obviously leads to a dilution to a greater or lesser degree of the running dog be it greyhound, whippet, saluki or whatever and this will lead to a loss of the traits required from the running dog side predominately speed so by outcrossing back to a running dog you keep the qualities of the non running dog ie brains or determination with the benefit of a new infusion of speed. one of jarvis' bitches i believe is sired by a line bred bull x and her dam is a greyhound and (i know him and the bitch) she seems to have all the fire, grit and determination of the bull line but she is a really quick wee thing, she's also very steady and calm all traits associated with quality greyhound blood.

but all that can be done by selective breeding of lurchers can it not , all these people who think you need to breed back to pure running dog , how many of you think you need to breed back to pure none running dog (eg collie)

 

Aye I owned a 5/8 collie greyhound years ago that was breed from reverse 3/4 collie greyhound.

They only thing you could av put the dog to was pure greyhound or they would av lacked pace.

 

Pre ban on bambi or hare running daytime half x to half x for generations will lack pace.

So you got to end up putting full running dog back into it or high percentage of running dog x.

In to produce the high percentage of lurcher ie 3/4 your going have go back to pure running dog.

your talking fractions not lurchers , if you breed lurcher x lurcher selectivley you will be able to breed dogs suitable for jobs without going back to pure , its been done for years