Science plan

[Guest Frank]

I m with the majority here that dried s--t is the same second rate so called dogs grub as all the others, full up with so called protein swept up off the slaughter house floor,If you re not prepared to eat it yourself dont give it to your animals.have you any idea what sort of meat goes in to dried dog food? and dogs arent cannibals are they? Ever wondered why its never publicised exactly what the manufactorers put int their dried food ? because they can never let it get out or they would lose the billions of pounds they make because the public would not buy it also if an animal has been euthanased that syringe full of drug all goes into the grub. s--t mate

 

 

two things here lads,

 

first in reply to squirel tail, i think it is possible that a few cases may of spread to what you have been told, i can only speak from first hand experience, having slaughtered ALOT of animals for dog consumption (not human grade meat) it is possible to feed meat that has been injected, most vets use a lethal injection that is injected into the neck, it affectes the heart and brain only, i have only ever known it in horses we get form the vet as eveything else we shoot, but the removel of the neck from the start of the rib cage, and all pluck makes the rest of the carcass fine to feed (this relates to what is put into some dried dog food). for anyone who is intrested there has been some cases of kidney failure recently in regually fed dogs that has possibly related to this type of feeding, but it has never been proven, if it was reelated it would be ancumulated thing, perhaps over several seasons, but as i say noone really knows as they get fed lots of other stuff too.

 

and as for people saying they will only feed human grade meat, and "if you wont eat then they shouldnt", i think thats far from the truth, i have skinned hundreds of animals that humans wouldnt dream of eating but dogs will thrive on, if not better. fresh belly tripe with greening for example, day old bull calfs, unbled beef, older mutton, pluck, fortnight old horse(best for them when it goes black.) dogs are not humans afterall.

 

cheers wink

 

Thanks for that wink.

Makes sence really, dogs are dogs, humans are humans, well most of the time.

 

Squirel tail, would you like to add anyhting to this?

 

Frank.

[martin 332]

I m with the majority here that dried s--t is the same second rate so called dogs grub as all the others, full up with so called protein swept up off the slaughter house floor,If you re not prepared to eat it yourself dont give it to your animals.have you any idea what sort of meat goes in to dried dog food? and dogs arent cannibals are they? Ever wondered why its never publicised exactly what the manufactorers put int their dried food ? because they can never let it get out or they would lose the billions of pounds they make because the public would not buy it also if an animal has been euthanased that syringe full of drug all goes into the grub. s--t mate

 

All euthanased animals go to an incinerater mate,and a representative of the MLC is always(24/7)present to check everything that goes into the incinerater,so I am afraid you are wrong Squirrel tail.........sorry.

cheers......Martin(ex MLC)

[Guest Frank]

Now we are getting somewhere.

 

Frank.

[juckler123 707]

Theres just been a problem with this type of feed in the USA with some of the biggest name companys involving suspect sources of ingredients and more than a few dead dogs.

A lot of the science diets meat and fat content is from rendered animals the renderers were using dead dogs and cats rendering them even with their flea collars on but i wouldnt worry about it to much they use the better grade fat for biscuits the ones we eat.

At the end of the day if youve a big company its gonna struggle to get meat for production and will get meat from any source it can and if it cant get meat it will make do with meat derivatives that why the complete meals are cheap as has been said before a lot of the cereal they use is waste that would otherwise be swept away.

I like to know what dogs are eating so i stick to simple ingredients stuff i would eat myself but each to their own

 

some links

http://www.rense.com/general70/dead.htm

 

http://www.peta.org/feat-iams_page2.asp

Edited April 21, 2007 by juckler123

[wink hound 0]

I m with the majority here that dried s--t is the same second rate so called dogs grub as all the others, full up with so called protein swept up off the slaughter house floor,If you re not prepared to eat it yourself dont give it to your animals.have you any idea what sort of meat goes in to dried dog food? and dogs arent cannibals are they? Ever wondered why its never publicised exactly what the manufactorers put int their dried food ? because they can never let it get out or they would lose the billions of pounds they make because the public would not buy it also if an animal has been euthanased that syringe full of drug all goes into the grub. s--t mate

 

All euthanased animals go to an incinerater mate,and a representative of the MLC is always(24/7)present to check everything that goes into the incinerater,so I am afraid you are wrong Squirrel tail.........sorry.

cheers......Martin(ex MLC)

 

not saying you dont know your stuff mate but this simply isnt true. we hold a liscense to dispose of dead stock, and under the defra ruleings aslong as we discard all the waste material properly,(incinertated or more comenly SRM skips) then the carcasses are ok to feed. as i say the guide line is (from a defra vet who checks us monthly) that aslong as the neck and pluck are removed its fine to go into the non-human food chain. it would not be impossible for dried food companies to do the same. it is much the same as us being aloud to feed dogs milk that is full of antibiotics , or calfs that have allsorts of drugs pumped into them, that humans cant have.

 

cheers wink

 

just to add, the ruleings also state that are "food" cannot go off site, so that perhaps changes the outlook, but it would still not be imposible.

Edited April 20, 2007 by wink hound

[luke 2]

i feed chudleys working crunch mixed with beef and tripe

and any kills the dogs get i have fed my dogs this

way for the last twenty years and never noticed any

ill efect dogs have always thrived on it.

[Guest world.hunters]

cheers for the replies lads

 

im going to see the butchers for some mince and other meat items that i can store in parents freezer but im going to ween the dog off the dry food just mixing it in with meat etc at first

 

what about veg for a pup

 

how much should i giv him and how regular

 

cheers

[squirreltail 15]

I m with the majority here that dried s--t is the same second rate so called dogs grub as all the others, full up with so called protein swept up off the slaughter house floor,If you re not prepared to eat it yourself dont give it to your animals.have you any idea what sort of meat goes in to dried dog food? and dogs arent cannibals are they? Ever wondered why its never publicised exactly what the manufactorers put int their dried food ? because they can never let it get out or they would lose the billions of pounds they make because the public would not buy it also if an animal has been euthanased that syringe full of drug all goes into the grub. s--t mate

 

 

two things here lads,

 

first in reply to squirel tail, i think it is possible that a few cases may of spread to what you have been told, i can only speak from first hand experience, having slaughtered ALOT of animals for dog consumption (not human grade meat) it is possible to feed meat that has been injected, most vets use a lethal injection that is injected into the neck, it affectes the heart and brain only, i have only ever known it in horses we get form the vet as eveything else we shoot, but the removel of the neck from the start of the rib cage, and all pluck makes the rest of the carcass fine to feed (this relates to what is put into some dried dog food). for anyone who is intrested there has been some cases of kidney failure recently in regually fed dogs that has possibly related to this type of feeding, but it has never been proven, if it was reelated it would be ancumulated thing, perhaps over several seasons, but as i say noone really knows as they get fed lots of other stuff too.

 

and as for people saying they will only feed human grade meat, and "if you wont eat then they shouldnt", i think thats far from the truth, i have skinned hundreds of animals that humans wouldnt dream of eating but dogs will thrive on, if not better. fresh belly tripe with greening for example, day old bull calfs, unbled beef, older mutton, pluck, fortnight old horse(best for them when it goes black.) dogs are not humans afterall.

 

cheers wink

Best beef I ever ate was beef that was greening.

 

could go into more of what sort of meat is in the dried food but too contraversial.lots of research has been done in the states.If youre interested in the web site will let you know.

[Hob&Jill 258]

cheers for the replies lads

 

im going to see the butchers for some mince and other meat items that i can store in parents freezer but im going to ween the dog off the dry food just mixing it in with meat etc at first

 

what about veg for a pup

 

how much should i giv him and how regular

 

cheers

Should try and get your own freezer mate, I got a small freezer of a mate for £10. I keep it in a shed, if you got a shed with electrics its well worth it

 

Do a search for rainmaker aswell, hes wrote enough to make a book on this site about raw feeding :thumbs-up:

[squirreltail 15]

Theres just been a problem with this type of feed in the USA with some of the biggest name companys involving suspect sources of ingredients and more than a few dead dogs.

A lot of the science diets meat and fat content is from rendered animals the renderers were using dead dogs and cats rendering them even with their flea collars on but i wouldnt worry about it to much they use the better grade fat for biscuits the ones we eat.

At the end of the day if youve a big company its gonna struggle to get meat for production and will get meat from any source it can and if it cant get meat it will make do with meat derivatives that why the complete meals are cheap as has been said before a lot of the cereal they use is waste that would otherwise be swept away.

I like to know what dogs are eating so i stick to simple ingredients stuff i would eat myself but each to their own

 

some links

http://www.rense.com/general70/dead.htm

 

http://www.peta.org/feat-iams_page2.asp

 

couldn 't have put it better myself mate. great life aint it, happy huntin

[Eggy 0]

Theres just been a problem with this type of feed in the USA with some of the biggest name companys involving suspect sources of ingredients and more than a few dead dogs.

A lot of the science diets meat and fat content is from rendered animals the renderers were using dead dogs and cats rendering them even with their flea collars on but i wouldnt worry about it to much they use the better grade fat for biscuits the ones we eat.

At the end of the day if youve a big company its gonna struggle to get meat for production and will get meat from any source it can and if it cant get meat it will make do with meat derivatives that why the complete meals are cheap as has been said before a lot of the cereal they use is waste that would otherwise be swept away.

I like to know what dogs are eating so i stick to simple ingredients stuff i would eat myself but each to their own

 

some links

http://www.rense.com/general70/dead.htm

 

http://www.peta.org/feat-iams_page2.asp

 

couldn 't have put it better myself mate. great life aint it, happy huntin

 

You shouldn't beleive everything that's put out on the internet: for every story/claim there is a counter story/claim and anyone can tell (fabricate) as they please. I certainly wouldn't beleive any "story" put on the web that hasn't any literature (ie scientific) references incorporated into it's text: Made up on the spot springs to mind if none are there!

 

Also who really gives a f*ck what a terrorist organization such as PETA put on the web....they certainly fall in the same league as anti's: PETA=SCUM

http://www.activistcash.com/news_detail.cfm?hid=2678

 

So Juckler123 I would check out first where you get your stories from (it's o so easy to "google"), as the tales from these PETA c*nt are certainly biased, and quoting them to "help" to promote your point of view does completely the opposite!

 

(BTW...I'm feeding my dog raw, and my dogs condition is the + proof I accept )

 

Cheers

 

Eggy

Edited April 26, 2007 by Eggy

[juckler123 707]

fair comment eggy i probably could have found better links but the first link sums up perfectly what is going on and as i know from experience theres more dodgy dealings done in the meat trade. I used to take dead dogs and cats to be burnt and the ashes went to the garden centres as potash and the fats went to the renderers and eventually ended up as the meat content in the complete feeds.

Like you i prefer raw and will take on board what you say about the links

cheers Juckler

[Guest JDF]

feed the dogs a raw natural diet and the ingredient lists in those bags of shite become meaningless

during the season i'll buy beef or lambs breast for the dogs and freeze any caught game for the summer when they're don't need as much energy