T Bars Take a Look.

[neil cooney 10,416]

^{IMO when a man starts sinking holes with a bar he hasn't a clue what himself or the terrier is doing.}

[Ripstop 89]

Jigsaw, i read a comment on here, and to me it came across as someone was using a digging bar, and ramming it in, which COULD cause danger.

i never meant the t bar.

And Neil, how do you learn, no-one is born all knowing, just like some one doesnt like one doesnt mean they know nothing, infact quite the opposite I think.

Im not meaning to offend anyone, Each to their own.

ATB Rips.

[dublin dezzy 1,023]

being on a dig not to long ago where without one we would have lost the terrier,handy tool to have

[MUDD 374]

^{IMO when a man starts sinking holes with a bar he hasn't a clue what himself or the terrier is doing.}

Alot of lads we would drop in for a days hunting with dont have them in there kit, we always have one along with other tools that are not always used on every dig, if you read the thread from the beginning you'll see many different accounts and situations were a tbar can be used to your advantage. Just because you choose not to use one doesnt mean your any better or experienced than the next terrierman. Each to there own, though if people choose to vary on there hunting kit don't kid yourself in thinking they havnt a clue what they're doing.

[danny300 2,240]

always take a bar with me it can come in handy at times and i've been digging over 20 odd years . its part of my kit and always will be

[Waz 4,262]

The only tool I will take with me each time im in and out of the vehicle is a bar, (the rest I'll go back for when needed) Only 1 time in a hundred will I use it to try to find/pierce the tube though, the tool I want to break through with is the shovel.

[jigsaw 11,865]

^{IMO when a man starts sinking holes with a bar he hasn't a clue what himself or the terrier is doing.}

neil,im going to be civil here but what an arrogant statement,tut tut tut .Your telling me you go out without a bar.....its you I would think, that hasnt learnt enough over the years.I hope the B&F collar never fails cause youll need a bar then.Just cause you dont feel the need to use one doesnt mean those that do are any less experienced.We could well manage without one and have many a time but what harm does it do to sink an air hole in the soil and have a listen to the dog below.also a dig of any substance can call for a poke here and there to see what exact direction the stop end is at.Hell we argue over silly shit on here

[danny300 2,240]

^{IMO when a man starts sinking holes with a bar he hasn't a clue what himself or the terrier is doing.}

neil,im going to be civil here but what an arrogant statement,tut tut tut .Your telling me you go out without a bar.....its you I would think, that hasnt learnt enough over the years.I hope the B&F collar never fails cause youll need a bar then.Just cause you dont feel the need to use one doesnt mean those that do are any less experienced.We could well manage without one and have many a time but what harm does it do to sink an air hole in the soil and have a listen to the dog below.also a dig of any substance can call for a poke here and there to see what exact direction the stop end is at.Hell we argue over silly shit on here

jigsaw what did he use before the B&F

[jigsaw 11,865]

but since the B&F came theres no need for a bar.....SHUR THERES NOT NEIL

[neil cooney 10,416]

Before the new finders I used to use the old debens.

I didn't say I don't carry a bar, we carry 3 in fact.

When a terrier's entered and the dig is a normal dig we never use one. It's always left in the vehicle anyway.

The bars are there for rock, stone or locator failure.

If a terrier is entered and is working and you've located him then why sink a hole with a bar? Do you not think your terrier is working?

If the terriers stuck you have to dig.

If he's working you have to dig.

If he's dead you've to dig.

There's one reason usually a lad sinks a bar. Because he's unsure what's going on and IMO it can be more a disadvantage than an advantage.

You should be able to tell a terrier that's digging on by the use of the box. If you can't then you don't know how to use it properly.

And Jigsaw there used to be a very good terrier down your neck of the woods that had only one eye from over use of a bar.

[jigsaw 11,865]

well neil,the bar isnt the trouble here,its the silly way it was used.theres still a lot of good terriers down this way and all are in perfect health with no bits missing from contact with the bar.I'll always have one with me,theyre not essintial but are a very handy tool to have.

[Rebel Pack 8]

I won't get drawn into any arguments, we're all different and have different ways of working, just like the dogs we use. I always have a bar with me,aswell as other tools, and always will. But thats just me. Were all in the game for similar reasons whether you dig and let your quarry run or you dispatch it, it all involves working your dogs in the way which you were taught. Lets not all fall out over a T-bar please!!

 

In the meantime, for those who want to see pics,bear with me ill get some pics up shortly.

 

ATB

RP

[Rebel Pack 8]

Ok here goes......

 

 

 

 

 

 

This one is 1.1 to the tapered end, 400mm across the top, so thats 200mm either side.

 

RP

[MUDD 374]

When the deben knocker boxes were the in thing a bar always came in handy, no matter how well you taped the collar up made sure the batterys were fresh. I seen enough dogs before dropped and "click click oh yes go on ahead" dog in and on not a click about. Very temperamental at times. That's when you lay down got a mark on the dog by ear, the bar was then just to ensure you had the tube and you were going down accordingly.

[Guest dee mac]

we always carry a t bar in jeep its not always needed and as neil says when working a dog the box can tell you if he s trying too dig on as it will be back and fourth on the mark but here s the thing what about the first season youngsters that have very little or no digging over them its very hard too tell what they are up to when you have no experience of digging too the dog and this is were i find the t bar comes into its own as it tells you exactly what the young dog is doing i for one dont fancy digging to a pup left right and centre when they maybe stuck digging on acting the wnaker etc etc pup in get mark drop bar hole have a listen its the way if always done it and its the way i will carry on to do it ps i think your coment neil was way wide of the mark and a bit flipant in days of the grey knocking box deben should of give out a free t bar with every collar they sold as we dug as much stuff using the bar too locate as we did too the collar when it worked and too be honest we learned a lot more from it