pup food

[Mac 30]

My dig was toward the complete advocates moll, I would rather feed card board dipped in fat rather than complete bags of crap to be honest. Hence my comment , why do those that feed a complete dry feed as it were feel the need to add other ingredients. In For a penny in for a pound, one or the other.

[Moll. 1,770]

My dig was toward the complete advocates moll, I would rather feed card board dipped in fat rather than complete bags of crap to be honest. Hence my comment , why do those that feed a complete dry feed as it were feel the need to add other ingredients. In For a penny in for a pound, one or the other.

Sorry i had read it the other way

[Mac 30]

My dig was toward the complete advocates moll, I would rather feed card board dipped in fat rather than complete bags of crap to be honest. Hence my comment , why do those that feed a complete dry feed as it were feel the need to add other ingredients. In For a penny in for a pound, one or the other.

Sorry i had read it the other way

 

Raw all the way moll lol

[sandymere 8,263]

If a complete feed is what it says on the tin so to speak, why add other ingredients ? surely this imbalances the nutrirional percentages within the food. If it is complete, surely it dont need anything else added ? Just a thought.

 

I would both agree and disagree with the idea that completes aren’t a complete diet. For the average pet dog they are, millions across America, Europe, Australasia etc live long healthy lives pretty much solely on commercial pet food. Of course the same could be said for a solely raw diet in that for the average pet it will do the job. Its with working dogs that the one size fits all regimes may have shortfalls, when a dogs just has to potter round a park once a day it doesn’t matter too much what fuel it uses but when a dog has very strenuous exercise based on a particular type ie sprinting or long distance then it is important what fuel it uses.

 

For me owning sighthounds I feel completes don’t carry enough fat so I add it daily, when I feed fatty meat it is to this end as much as adding in extra protein. If I had stamina types such as huskies I would add more protein but for the sprinters this may be counter productive. With open minds we learn stuff all the time, until recently I always doubted the idea that high protein diets had dogs bouncing off the walls as it was pretty much perceived knowledge that it was sugar/glucose from carbs that caused increased activity but I was wrong. Recent studies show that carbs put you and your dog to sleep and increasing protein increases activity.

 

Carbs power sprints and protein has been shown to slow race times when over fed so I avoid high protein completes. To much fat also has its problems so it’s a balance of what is needed rather than just adding, modern stock is very fatty and meat from them if fed a lot will risk causing problems such as pancreatitis. ( recent studies linking cured meat to an increased risk of pancreatitis are perhaps misleading as it may well be that people who eat sausage and bacon every day get a slight increased risk of pancreatitis is as much from their increased fat intake as much as that they eat cured meat.)

 

Basically dogs digest completes very well, they utilise the protein, both animal and vegetable without any problem, the carbs are there in plenty, they have fibre to aid gut health and generally do a good job. Adding extras is not a sign that there is something wrong with them rather a personal choice to go that little bit further for our dogs. If I fed mostly meat I would add extras in the form of carbs and vegetable matter to both give glucose to power sprints, to add fibre to increase bacterial activity and so gut health, (this does increase stool amount but that’s a symptoms of a healthy gut whereas little hard bullets isn’t) and to reduce the fat percentage. I wouldn’t be that I thought there was a problem with meat rather that I wanted more than it could give.

 

Ps It would seem that one is cutting off ones nose to spite our face if we have to pick just one form of feeding, seems more than a little straight jacketed or, to excuse the pun, dogmatic to me.

 

[Moll. 1,770]

Brilliant news...

Recent studies show that carbs put you and your dog to sleep

 

Guess who's dogs will be getting pasta, to give me some peace and quiet

[Sirius 1,391]

I have always raised dogs on raw meat, bone, offal, eggs and some dairy products, basically a natural diet

 

However I do use some porridge with the goats milk and honey for the milky meals initially.

 

I dont see the point of mixing both Complete and fresh and I dont need convincing otherwise, to me it's simply not a great idea, when fresh food is fine.

[sandymere 8,263]

For those that feed meat/veg without a biscuit or complete then oats ( porridge ) is likely a good idea and although it goes against BARF principles it certainly adds a good balance of carbs along with protein and fat. Rice is often used but it doesn’t have the same broad spectrum and slow digestion as oats. In truth the difference may be no more than academic but there would seem to be a slightly higher insulin spike with rice.

[peeky boo 8]

beta puppy my dogs have had great results on it

[sportingspaniles 5]

eukanuba puppy here. It takes any guess work out of feeding at the most important time in a dogs life.