do yas think hunting was banned because people have humanised animals

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

whats yer views on it people talk about education on hunting but how do ya think that could happen whenever schools drum it into the kids that animals talk to eachother and get on like humans, never hear of them telling kids that they would bite the hand of them if they ever tried to stroke a wild fox or badger thats why i think there is many more antis this day n age :hmm:

[trinder 127]

I agree with you mate but alot of celebs are anti spokespersons e.g aleesha dixion who is well known by the younger generation play a huge part in turnin nuetral members of the public into anti's

Atb Trinder

[Nik_B 3,790]

Definately agree. Like you say talking animals on the telly is probably where it starts but it is a lack of education/understanding in rural affairs and that is because the connection between towns/cities and the countryside has been lost. Largely food doesn't get bought from a farmers market anymore and there is no preparation involved with meat from a supermarket so the customers don't meet the producer nor have to handle a dead animal. Basically food isn't hard to come by so people don't give it a second thought.

 

Things may change as we all get poorer due to inflation & resesion and people could start to become more resourceful....My gran told me that even in london 1920s-1950s most people had chickens in their back yards for eggs at the very least. People will have been more practical back then. But then prosperity came and with that people didn't have to think about where their next meal came from, over the years they have become completely out of touch with their food source.

 

I think things seem to be changing though. You've got the river cottage type programs that would never have seen the light of day during the 80s which is possitive.

[Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin]

Class issue and lack of education and we got to wake up ourselves to ommit than any form of hunting fishing is cruel in some form unless your a very good rifle shot and have a instant clean kill .

What we got to do is show others that there is reason to our actions be it to provide good clean food and or reduce the number for population control and dispatch our quarry quickly humanely.

 

Also I do think class is a issue you only have to read the earthworking/lurcher section to see the hate for wealthly landowner by some members and poach and work there dogs illegally because they hate the landowners only becuase they have land.

 

So why should joe public not have the same hate for us working dogs along with foxhunting gang.

 

And we all seem to afraid to say we like hunting and the sport involed in trying kill our chossen quarry in fear of upsetting our opponents and come up with some cock and ball it because of this and that we hunt.

 

Very few of us would hunt if we did not get some joy of the hunt its in our genes to hunt we just need to reawaken it in our opponents so they can understand .

 

I know one thing when our world goes tits up and tescos dont have stock of there fav snacks due to world shortages and they losed the abillity to hunt gather for themselves and there family we will be laughing .

 

It will not be in our lifetime but the future generations will defo have a huge world bepopulation due to world food shortages.

 

ATB Cookie

[paulus 26]

i think its more to do with the populus now living in big towns and citys as a whole and thus having no idea of the countryside other than what the main stream media portrays. strangley enough mainly airing on the side of the anti hunt brigade. youve only got to look to the old style villages and the attitude towards hunting is different/accepted as the norm. however even this is now starting to change as the youngsters who grew up in the villages can no longer afford to live or get work there, so there is an influx of wealthy townies comming into the villages with no idea of the countryside other than what the mainstream media tells them, very sad abd i fear for the future of all blood/fieldsports

 

edited to add, as for the comment on poaching with dogs, no poacher worth his salt would be advertising his exploits on an open forum on the internet only wide boys and wannabees poaching is as much a way of the countryside as hay making long may it carry on

[Stabs 3]

Anthropomorphism - I blame Rupert the Bear and Bill the Badger

 

When you have people who considered themselves sophisticated there is often the tendency to look at man's more natural and base desires and urges as uncivilised and archaic. The danger of that is you can shroud yourself in a cloak of an artificial reality where you don't know (or want to know) where the basic necessities of life come from. Skills and knowledge are easily lost and when society has become so f*****g rotten that there's little option but to revert to the old ways again, you're well and truly f****d.

 

"Civilisation" and syphilisation often go hand in hand.

[paulus 26]

Anthropomorphism - I blame Rupert the Bear and Bill the Badger

 

When you have people who considered themselves sophisticated there is often the tendency to look at man's more natural and base desires and urges as uncivilised and archaic. The danger of that is you can shroud yourself in a cloak of an artificial reality where you don't know (or want to know) where the basic necessities of life come from. Skills and knowledge are easily lost and when society has become so f*****g rotten that there's little option but to revert to the old ways again, you're well and truly f****d.

 

"Civilisation" and syphilisation often go hand in hand.

you mean beef dont come from morrisons

[skycat 6,173]

I have spent many happy moments discussing this issue with 'rapid antis'.......... you know, the sort of people who come striding across to where you are enjoying a bit of ferreting, mobile in hand, furiously filming what you are doing. Some are convinced, due to bad media, that even rabbiting is illegal, whilst others are simply morally outraged that anyone could want to kill a poor ickle fluffy bunny.

 

I've found that not one of these people has actually got any idea of what their true rationale might be: they are only reacting to the hyped up hysterical reactions so beloved of our media coverage on anything which might get the population all hot under the collar and make the publishers a few bucks.

 

I've also found that once reasoned with, in a gentle, polite, non arrogant and logical manner, most such irate do-gooders deflate quite rapidly. I had one such conversation the other day, and my opponent went from steam-coming-from-ears-red-faced-outrage, to silently wishing he hadn't come over and tried to do battle and actually wished me a good day as we parted. His subjective reaction and emotional outburst was based purely on how the media had taught him to behave: baa-baa sheep, the whole lot of them, ineffectual, mindless followers of the drivelling morons in government.

 

Question: how long would it take the average, non hunting, supermarket fuelled anti to actually kill and eat an animal in a starvation situation? Any ideas? I reckon around a week, no more. What do other people think?

[Moll. 1,770]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMXtESQ7ErM

[paulus 26]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rMXtESQ7ErM

if you carnt say anything nice then dont say nothing at all :laugh:

[paulus 26]

I have spent many happy moments discussing this issue with 'rapid antis'.......... you know, the sort of people who come striding across to where you are enjoying a bit of ferreting, mobile in hand, furiously filming what you are doing. Some are convinced, due to bad media, that even rabbiting is illegal, whilst others are simply morally outraged that anyone could want to kill a poor ickle fluffy bunny.

 

I've found that not one of these people has actually got any idea of what their true rationale might be: they are only reacting to the hyped up hysterical reactions so beloved of our media coverage on anything which might get the population all hot under the collar and make the publishers a few bucks.

 

I've also found that once reasoned with, in a gentle, polite, non arrogant and logical manner, most such irate do-gooders deflate quite rapidly. I had one such conversation the other day, and my opponent went from steam-coming-from-ears-red-faced-outrage, to silently wishing he hadn't come over and tried to do battle and actually wished me a good day as we parted. His subjective reaction and emotional outburst was based purely on how the media had taught him to behave: baa-baa sheep, the whole lot of them, ineffectual, mindless followers of the drivelling morons in government.

 

Question: how long would it take the average, non hunting, supermarket fuelled anti to actually kill and eat an animal in a starvation situation? Any ideas? I reckon around a week, no more. What do other people think?

they would start to rob and kill each other for food first, the idea of catching something live wouldnt enter their heads until all other food sorces were gone even mcdonalds

[scothunter 12,609]

busy bodies with empty lifes,who feel thier life isnt complete until they fight for some cause. any cause as long as they think in thier empty heads they are moral crusaders.

[skycat 6,173]

I've recently been reading a few 'surviving the end of the world as we know it' fiction books. I think you're probably right Paulus: most authors have their characters raiding long abandoned warehouses and supply trains even years after food production has stopped, fighting over tins and dried food which would surely have decomposed or become otherwise inedible. Funnily enough, the 'solitary heros' of such books are often the ones which hunt game and provide the useless masses with fresh meat LOL

[paulus 26]

I've recently been reading a few 'surviving the end of the world as we know it' fiction books. I think you're probably right Paulus: most authors have their characters raiding long abandoned warehouses and supply trains even years after food production has stopped, fighting over tins and dried food which would surely have decomposed or become otherwise inedible. Funnily enough, the 'solitary heros' of such books are often the ones which hunt game and provide the useless masses with fresh meat LOL

only got to look to africa for the model of what would happen, when food becomes the way to control the masses and warlords rule, strange thing is the civilized world isnt that different only money takes the place of food

[jasper65 6]

think it was the Goverment in at the time being backed by certain animal charity organisations, this was one of their main agenda's when voted in....

 

for some reason a majority of folk back then was in favour of a ban , remember seeing a good few Polls with the largest percentage voting for a out right ban, there was alot of publicity against hunting back then which probably swayed the majority.....

 

remember my daughter coming home from school telling me her teacher was horrified when she told him I have taken her Rabbiting and Pigeon shooting . what a Nanny state we've turned into..........