Foxgun Tom 75 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Cameron getting "Blown oot!" by Wee Eck 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Cameron getting "Blown oot!" by Wee Eck :hmm: THINK WEE ECK'S BEEN STICKING THINGS UP ARSES FOR A LONG TIME :whistling: Edited January 13, 2012 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Cameron getting "Blown oot!" by Wee Eck :hmm: THINK WEE ECK'S BEEN STICKING THINGS UP ARSES FOR A LONG TIME :whistling: id say cameron's been taking things up the arse for a long time too tho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Cameron getting "Blown oot!" by Wee Eck :hmm: THINK WEE ECK'S BEEN STICKING THINGS UP ARSES FOR A LONG TIME :whistling: id say cameron's been taking things up the arse for a long time too tho TRUE BUT HE'S A JOCK TO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 'Independance' ha, what a crack. Hope you're going to pay us back for the RBS bailout and take your share of the deficit. Shut the door on your way out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I certainly don't think the major issues are now about rescources or revinue, the goalposts have moved?? Cameron himself has become a recruiting sergant for Independance by telling the Scottish goverment and people what they can and can't do! with regards to a referendum on Scottish independance The tories have no political mandate in Scotland and never will neither do the Lib/Dems I know its been said as a joke but it's true (they're are more Panda's in Scotland than Tory Msp's) The "right" to hold a referendum may reside with Westminster under Westminsters own rules but the right to self determination of governance is a basic human right that cannot be legalised against. As such, any action to impede or deny the people of Scotland a right to vote would be in contradiction to the obligations to uphold self determination as si...gned and agreed by the UK as part of the UN Charter. Article 1 in both the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) both read: "All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development." The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights article 15 states that everyone has the right to a nationality and that no one should be arbitrarily deprived of a nationality or denied the right to change nationality. The International Court of Justice refers to the right to self-determination as a right held by people rather than a right held by governments alone. United Nations studies on the right to self-determination set out factors that give rise to possession of right to self-determination: * a history of independence or self-rule in an identifiable territory * a distinct culture * a will and capability to regain self-governance Scotland is a distinct country with our own traditions, national dress, borders, health service, legal establishment, education system, flag and a history of nationhood that was not discarded by the Act of Unions in 1706 and 1707. These were international treaties and once signed the UK government came into existence and the Scottish and English Parliaments were suspended. Please note that they were not disbanded, merely suspended. The countries still exist and upon creation of Devolution the Scottish Parliament at least was reconvened. So we can demonstrate before any referendum is held that we have a history of independence in our own identifiable territory, that our culture is unique and in fact unique enough to be recognised around the world instantly, and that through the Scottish Parliament we have the capability to regain self governance. At the end of the day it will be the will of the Scottish Electorate that will decide the outcome for Scotland. If a majority of the votes cast are for Independence then the people have demonstrated the will to regain self governance. I shall not make the error of quiestioning some of your statements as I suspect that most are of a factual nature; However what you have outlined is the basis of independence. It does not take into account the massive amount of legal hurdles that would need to be completed. There is also an argument that England should have one aswell to determine whether it is acceptable...but lets not go there eh?. I think that the biggest question that needs to be resolved is who qualifies to vote in any referendum. Lets face it most Scotts live outside of Scotland and have done for decades. Look at Corby! I for one would not be unhappy about their independence as long as that is exactly what it is and not some half baked compromise. Rgds Swampy Currently working on a tender for the contract to rebuild a roman wall somewhere up north. Ning Salmond has allready stated anyone on the electoral roll and resides in Scotland can vote! that includes any Welsh people, English, Irish, Indian, Chinese etc: I'm sure that the Scots on the voters role in Corby will allready be voting on issues relating to the voter's of Corby and where they've decide to reside Och' Aye ning Ps; thanks for the input Buddy, have'nt seen you posting for a while, all the best!! Ahhh Now you have made a mistake.! You are assuming that the plastic Scotts that live in Corby have the intellect to put a "X" on a ballot paper. I also suspect that many aren't on ANY electoral roll anyway! Personally I would like to transport all of Corby to the outskirts of Glasgow and see how many actually like being Scottish. I still don't think it will happen. I think that the loudest voices are the minority. Would Scotland have to apply to join the European Union? Can't see them getting independence and then signing it away to some un elected bureaucrats in Brussels! It is a constitutional nightmare! makes you realise that war is the simplest way of resolving issues as the lawyers don't get involved. How about a non-combatal, no human casualty war? PS Will I be discriminated against if and when I want to cross your border................Hang on I am now so. I guess that wont change eh? I can see the price of good whiskey going through the roof down here! Rgds Swampy Stockpiling Laphroaig internally ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe67 239 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 If you believe the papers yesterday's survey says 40 percent of scots would vote for independance,seems to be picking up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you believe the papers yesterday's survey says 40 percent of scots would vote for independance,seems to be picking up. Key element to your statement there seems to be "If you believe the papers". I guess it depends on which paper. All papers have an ulterior motive for printing their take on events. And they target the readers that they wish to impress. Sorry I don't believe it. If 40% turned out to vote I'd be amazed
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