Seen anything like this before?

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

Has anyone seen anything like this before? Mate is fearing the worst.

 

This is on the back leg of a dog that was perfectly healthy before being seized with others by Merseyside Police in January, dog is back home now, in a terrible state, looks like he's had a stroke too, drooling and holding his mouth funny, massive loss of muscle on the top of his head, this was a dog I would have been proud to own, I just feel really sad for him now in this state.

 

Anyway here's the growth, dog is receiving extensive medical treatment, but Vet doesn't seem to know what this is, am not expecting diagnosis by email, just thought it was worth a try to see if anyone had seen similar?

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

[skycat 6,173]

Looks like it might be avery bad lick granuloma, though to be honest I have'nt seen one in that place on the dog before: usually on the front of fore legs and feet: here's what I googled.....

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Lick granulomas often start as a tiny sore spot on the skin which gets worse as your dog continues to lick it. They tend to look like hairless, thick sores that have scarred over and have ulcerated and oozing centers. And, as most anyone who has had a dog with a lick granuloma knows, applying sprays and ointments simply doesn't seem to help. If you suspect that your dog may have a lick granuloma, have him seen by your veterinarian. There is no perfect or simple cure, but there are some things that you can do.

 

With lick granulomas, the skin is usually deeply affected and, under a microscope, bacteria, broken hair follicles, plugged and scarred oil glands, and dilated and inflamed capillaries can be seen even in the base layer of skin. Surgical removal of these lesions often won't help if the dog continues to lick at the surgical site thus creating a new lick granuloma.

 

There are many beliefs as to why lick granulomas occur. Some believe that psychological factors are to blame. For some dogs, simple boredom may lead to excessive licking which in turn can lead to a lick granuloma. For others, separation anxiety, changes in the home, or other stresses may cause a dog to lick excessively at one spot in an attempt to relieve the stress. Health matters may also be to blame. Allergic inhalant dermatitis can cause inflammation and itching which may make a dog lick at a particular area. Bone or joint pain, for instance in the ankle or wrist area, may lead a dog to lick excessively at that area in an attempt to relieve the pain. Hypothyroidism, particularly in black labs, has been found to play a role in lick granulomas. And, lastly, any foreign body like a splinter or the stinger from a bee may lead to continual licking.

 

There are many different treatments for lick granulomas, unfortunately many of them simply don't work. For instance, wrapping the dog's leg in a bandage often doesn't work as the dog will only lick at another spot and create a new granuloma. Likewise when applying things like Bitter Apple or Tabasco sauce to the lesions. Even the use of Elizabethan collars doesn't work well because you can't use them forever and the licking usually resumes once the collar is removed. For psychological causes, anti-anxiety medications have been used and can sometimes make a slight difference, though usually not for the majority of dogs. While cortisone injections can help to shrink the lesions for a while, the dog will eventually resume licking and the granulomas will once again grow.

 

The very best solution seems to be the use of long-term antibiotics, used for up to three months, combined with cortisone topical creams or topical medications with multiple antibiotic/cortisone ingredients. Supplements, especially Omega Fatty Acid supplements, have been shown to help with many dermatological problems. However, prevention is often the best approach so it's important that you have your dog seen at the first opportunity. Unquote.

 

Can't you sue the b*****ds who let your dog get into such a state? I've heard of this sort of thing happening before: it just shouldn't happen

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

Thank you very much for the above, it does seem reasonable to think it could be that.

 

It's a mates dog, as for sueing them, it is in hand, the other dogs have been moved from the place they were keeping them, and the RSPCA (of all people) are pursuing a neglect case against whoever was supposed to be looking after them, the lad is obviously very concerned as they still have several of his other dogs.

 

The above dog is being taken for further tests (biopsy) tomorrow, but it's never a bad thing to have extra input I'm sure you'll agree.

 

Here's a full pic of the dog, note that NONE of the marks that now appear all over him were present before he was seized, and that the indentation above and behind his eye is the same both sides, and not a trick of the camera.

 

It is 4 weeks since this dog came home, and he's had the very best medical and general care since then, he's being fed every 4 hours, he had lost around 20lb in the few weeks they had him (yes really 20lb).

 

 

 

Here's a pic of his bitch, she too was returned at the same time, she is in much better condition, however she was also extremely thin, the pic shows that either side of her front legs she too has those licking sores, these are the more common type I think, I didn't even consider that the thing on the dog's back leg could be the same thing until now, it really is that bad.

 

Bonny below was returned after inspection by a Police expert, who was 100% sure she is not of Pitbull type.

 

[Guest MOLLY]

Jesus christ, that dog is a pityfull sight

MOLL.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Strong Stuff; Ye'll not often hear me say something like this mate. On line or off. But; Someone, somewhere, needs to be identified. Found. And very, very, very severely beaten. I swear to god they do.

 

 

Anyway: Dog of mine had cancer, mate. Showed up between the pads of his front right foot. It was small. Black and dry. He licked it, but it never went like that. I too would go with Granuloma.

 

State of that poor f*cking Dog. Will the papers and tv now broadcast That side of the story?!

[Guest MOLLY]

Will the papers and tv now broadcast That side of the story?!

Good point!

MOLL.

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

Strong Stuff; Ye'll not often hear me say something like this mate. On line or off. But; Someone, somewhere, needs to be identified. Found. And very, very, very severely beaten. I swear to god they do.

 

 

Anyway: Dog of mine had cancer, mate. Showed up between the pads of his front right foot. It was small. Black and dry. He licked it, but it never went like that. I too would go with Granuloma.

 

State of that poor f*cking Dog. Will the papers and tv now broadcast That side of the story?!

 

 

We'll be doing our very best to make sure they do tell the other side of the story.

[MATTI 34]

I hope these dog's are soon back to there old selve's, and the c**t's that let them get in that state get named and shamed. Look's like they have had no bedding as well as not much food. Has the vet not taken a biopsy off the growth? All the best.

MATTI

[DUCKWING 302]

RIGHT LADS ,

 

A WORD OF ADVICE ..................... IF YOU GET A VISIT BY THE POLICE AND RSPCA ...........

 

MAKE SURE YOU GET VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THEM , PHOTOS OF THE DOGS / ANIAMLS AND THERE CONDITION ............. THEY HATE BEING ON VIDEO , AND ESPECIALLY THE CRAP THEY TALK ....... ALL IS EXCELLENT INFO IN A COURT BATTLE

 

A FRIEND DID THIS RECENTLY AND GOT ONE THE SACK ....... THE REST OF THE CASE IS ON GOING BUT I SHOULD THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET AN ARSE SLAPPING FROM THE JUDGE

 

PERSONALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVER EITHER HAD THE DOGS IN WET RUNS WITH CHEMICALS UNSUITABLE FOR DISINFECTING ANIMALS..... OR / AND .... NO BEDDING ......... ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE THAT THEY HAVE HAD THE DOGS KNOCKED OUT FOR SOME REASON AND LEFT IN HARD FLOORED PENS , THEY SCRABBLE TO GET ON THEIR FEET CAUSING SUCH WOUNDS , WHICH THEN TURN INTO THE ADDICTIVE GRANULOMA

 

 

DUCKWING

[DUCKWING 302]

GOT TO DISAGREE THERE

 

 

99 % OF THE TIME WHEN WOUNDS ARE FOUND ON DOGS LIKE THAT ............ IF I CHECK THE LADS KENNELS THE DOGS LYING ON BARE " WET " BOARDS .............. TO BE HONEST IVE GIVEN A COUPLE A SLAP FOR THE STATE SOME KEEP THEM IN

 

 

DUCKWING

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

Has the vet not taken a biopsy off the growth? All the best.

MATTI

 

 

The dog wasn't considered by the Vet to be well enough to do anything with until now.

 

Duckwing,

 

Good advice about photos/video, that was done at the time, he got a photo of each dog as it was walked out of his house.

 

The type of floor and chemical bit sounds right too.

 

Thanks all much appreciated.

[skycat 6,173]

Was it the Arsepca who seized the dogs and then put them in someone else's kennels? If so surely they (the arsepca) are then responsible for those dogs? Or not?

the case of the Bull type terrier local to me that mangled a little boy's face after it had been homed by Wood Green Animal Shelter: the director of this place has just (in the local paper) refuted all responsibilty for the dog attacking as they said the dog was fine with kids when it left their shelter, although technically they still own the dog and could have taken it back at any time if there were problems. So it looks like the kennels your mate's dogs were in are ultimately responsible.

I know you're probably aware of the law already, but it did come as a surprise to me that this animal shelter was not held responsible.

[Guest SJM]

The red dog in the first pic looks to me as though it has been starved and lying on bare concrete. The amount of weight loss and the way the skin looks to be sagging say to me that it has been dumped in a kennel awaiting its "fate" and has been given the minimum amount of food required to keep it alive, as the b*****ds probably expected the dogs to be given the death warrant, and probably didnt expect to have to hand the dogs back over f*****g b*****ds! it would not surprise me if that dog has suffered damage to its internal organs as a result of them shutting down due to lack of food and water. I hope for your mates and the dogs sake I am wrong.

 

Society for the prevention of cruelty? I think not

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

SJM, you've just said what I was thinking, and my mate I guess too, can just hear the voice saying "no point looking after them, they'll be getting killed soon"......................

 

Except they f*****g weren't, and now they will pay, dearly, I'm not going all Steven Segall here, but this will never be over.

 

To clarify,

 

House was raided by Police, dogs were taken by Local Authority Dog Warden on behalf of Merseyside Police, therefore, it seems obvious who had the duty of care for them.

 

I think I might have mentioned before, but the Dog Warden was the woman who was invited to attend, judge and sponsor shows held by the Stafford and Irish Bull Terrier Club, run at that time by Ady Sheppard and Will Holland, I hope she rots in hell, she'll say she was doing her job, and if she didn't take the dogs then the Police would have put their riot gear on as they do and take them, I don't see how that exonerates her, she lead those dogs from their "Dad", to the place that turned them into the above dogs.

 

The RSPCA as far as I have been told, were NOT in attendance at the raids, and surprisingly it is the RSPCA who are pushing for my mate to get the rest of his dogs back. make of that what you will, I don't know what to think.

[J Darcy 5,871]

it sure is a funny state of affairs. the way i sees it is: the dogs owners know whats good for their dog..,..not the societies.,... i hope they make speedy recovery