COLLIE GREYHOUND THE WORST DOGS IVE SEEN..........

[mackay 3,450]

No I think at the end of the day the obedience required, IE sit, stay, blind stay, heel, retrieve, jump, recall is pretty much all that is required. Problem being people were owning collie crosses, training them to this standard (which is commendable although not taxing) competing at a local show against little competition and next thing heyho they're representing their country in the final often with a dog (and in many cases owner) with no hunting experience. I'm a fan of obedience and as I said earlier the field trials had good intentions but at the end of the day obedience should enhance and compliment lurcher work.

[KittleRox 2,147]

aye if trials were to be held again and a good number entered it could be a success, like you say maybe not worth it, a bit hit or miss, I wouldn,t disregard it altogether though

[2.8 guy 403]

hey ho if you think people like harry millward who was champ year after year didnt get his dogs out working or many others your wrong there was some people who never worked there dogs granted but i knew who did and didnt . the field trial test was based on every day hunting using nets lures fake rabbit bolts ect blind stays you no things that would be usefull whilst out working with your dog. the best at this was chosen to go on a field trial to work there dogs get this in real life outside in the cold catching things killing things i think this is working your dog people practiced got there dogs fit worked them and worked them to become experts polished hunters to be the best. it started off as ill trained dogs then went to thats all you can do train circus acts get a gripp you window licker

[KittleRox 2,147]

  On 07/01/2012 at 22:39, 2.8 guy said:

hey ho if you think people like harry millward who was champ year after year didnt get his dogs out working or many others your wrong there was some people who never worked there dogs granted but i knew who did and didnt . the field trial test was based on every day hunting using nets lures fake rabbit bolts ect blind stays you no things that would be usefull whilst out working with your dog. the best at this was chosen to go on a field trial to work there dogs get this in real life outside in the cold catching things killing things i think this is working your dog people practiced got there dogs fit worked them and worked them to become experts polished hunters to be the best. it started off as ill trained dogs then went to thats all you can do train circus acts get a gripp you window licker

is that aimed at me ?

[mackay 3,450]

  On 07/01/2012 at 22:39, 2.8 guy said:

hey ho if you think people like harry millward who was champ year after year didnt get his dogs out working or many others your wrong there was some people who never worked there dogs granted but i knew who did and didnt . the field trial test was based on every day hunting using nets lures fake rabbit bolts ect blind stays you no things that would be usefull whilst out working with your dog. the best at this was chosen to go on a field trial to work there dogs get this in real life outside in the cold catching things killing things i think this is working your dog people practiced got there dogs fit worked them and worked them to become experts polished hunters to be the best. it started off as ill trained dogs then went to thats all you can do train circus acts get a gripp you window licker

 

I think I've mentioned a few times the field trials had purpose and maybe I was unlucky the year I spectated or perhaps my standards are a little higher than yours.

[2.8 guy 403]

no dont have a complex the things that have been said have all been said before its just that when real dog men who work there dogs get rubbished for there efforts its just not right but lets not forget what this topic is about the dogs the dogs the dogs its just that poeple said it mostly is the training then after i proved i could train a dog it was sujested they was not worked the person knows who he is read the posts

[KittleRox 2,147]

  On 07/01/2012 at 22:39, 2.8 guy said:

hey ho if you think people like harry millward who was champ year after year didnt get his dogs out working or many others your wrong there was some people who never worked there dogs granted but i knew who did and didnt . the field trial test was based on every day hunting using nets lures fake rabbit bolts ect blind stays you no things that would be usefull whilst out working with your dog. the best at this was chosen to go on a field trial to work there dogs get this in real life outside in the cold catching things killing things i think this is working your dog people practiced got there dogs fit worked them and worked them to become experts polished hunters to be the best. it started off as ill trained dogs then went to thats all you can do train circus acts get a gripp you window licker

who ever it was aimed at I think macky made the point (excuse me if I,m wrong mackay ) and you made the point yourself there was one or two who had the marbles BUT the competition itself didn,t have a great number of folks with the tools to make it a decent competition, so maybe you should climb doon off yer high horse

[mackay 3,450]

  On 07/01/2012 at 23:06, 2.8 guy said:

no dont have a complex the things that have been said have all been said before its just that when real dog men who work there dogs get rubbished for there efforts its just not right but lets not forget what this topic is about the dogs the dogs the dogs its just that poeple said it mostly is the training then after i proved i could train a dog it was sujested they was not worked the person knows who he is read the posts

 

 

I never at any time said your dogs weren't worked but then again you never proved you could train a dog, just a post on the internet claiming it.

[tia.kins 56]

  On 07/01/2012 at 20:36, 2.8 guy said:

i put spens brother to a striaght greyhound all the pups worked well some a little too big some too fragile but all game all intelligent......

 

Hey up, did you use a dog called Typ or Gyp over a black and white greyhound bitch about 9 years ago?

 

If so, I had one of your pups......

 

Edited January 7, 2012 by tia.kins

[Moll. 1,770]

  On 07/01/2012 at 20:26, frankel said:

like a greek god to me, but ugly to some lol.

Photos are very deceiving. Saw this dog in the flesh today, much more racey and lurcher like than his photos make him out to be.

LOVED him

[whin 463]

to much collie in adog is a bad thing a quart is all you need , no more , the problem with obeidence trails the people who ran it were not the best hunters there self but had accses to the land ,through a third party who stayed there , been at them judged them ,but only saw a few dogs i would take home ,obeidence in a daft ring is nothing compaired to the real game in hand pre ban , never will be, it was good fun a weekend away ,but chaseing rabbs is only one part of a good working lurcher command , pre ban ,i rate the true working beardie lurcher alot over the cringing hyper border collies by far , that hancock bred , we move on and there better dogs about nowadays

[fatlad 250]

ive had afew collie greys over the years, ive allways prefered a dash of beardy in them makes them more robust and hardy than the border grey. one of the best i had was 5/8 beardy collie she was used mostly for ferreting and bushing up the dales really hardy and fast, she also worked longnets at night i think you need a bit more collie than a qauter if your wanting a good allrounder

[earth&hounds 94]

aint RAY BIRD a collie man now ?????? or as the fad gone

[robert michem 314]

IM ALL UP FOR WELL TRAINED DOGS... BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHAPS IN THE FEILD TRAILS.. THE GUYS NEVER WORKED THE DOGS HARD,, SO MAY BE THEY WAS WELL TRAINED/BUT THEY NEVER GOT TESTED,, TO THE LIMIT,, NITE IN NITE OUT, 50 PLUS RUNS A NITE, THEN GOING ON DEER THEN HARES,,AND I DONT MEAN IN THE FEILD TRAILS ,I MEAN IN EVERY DAY LIFE,,,,

[KittleRox 2,147]

My thoughts on this,,,

 

scenario, you have a first x collie grey which you have put the time into training for obediance trials and theres a good chance you would win all day long

 

take the same pup and from day one just give it the basic training and let it find its own feet and theres a good chance it will perform well in the field

 

try and combine the two and it gets shady, I reckon all the obediance training for trials would hinder a first x in the field

 

 

scenario two,,, If I was and I,m not but I were to try and win some trials I think a 3/4 bred would be the way to go, a 3/4 can still be trained to a high level witout stifling the dog in the field imo ,atb