COLLIE GREYHOUND THE WORST DOGS IVE SEEN..........

[KittleRox 2,147]

Ive had numerous Collie bred lurchers and can say in all honesty ive never yet owned a duff one,but i know the pitfalls of a Collie brained lurcher and have learnt to adapt to each individual,there is no other lurcher base that offers as much to the working lurcher.I prefer the addition of Deerhound blood to the mix as one seems to compliment the attributes of the other,in the right balance.When i hear stories of failed dogs i am more inclined to go for the failings of the owner,Collie bred dogs will not always suit the temperament of an owner without a certain amount of patience and an ability to harness the uniqueness of the breed.

aye alwa\ys found the deerhound idea of mixing with the collie interesting, a type I may stear towards in future

[brendy mc l 694]

use to keep one about ten years ago straight half bitch was a great lamping bitch would take a fox as well and the odd hare but think there a dieing bred pitty they well make good rabbit dog and will take the odd fox

[frankel 2,123]

like a greek god to me, but ugly to some lol.

Edited January 7, 2012 by frankel

[mackay 3,481]

I had a first cross border collie greyhound from Hancock, sired by Rufus the red which seemed to produce good all round dogs. The one thing I did notice all those years ago was that many people incapable of training a dog bought a collie cross (often from Hancock) thinking due to it's collie makeup it would be clever, self enter and require little training and then find this wasn't the case and promptly blame the dog and also the breeder. The bitch I had was superb, racy enough to be a good all rounder taking all quarry, she had an inbuilt hatred of foxes and anything else with teeth. She caught hundreds of hares some hunted up ( she had the best nose I have seen on a dog) and a respectable amount after quality runs. Her obedience and loyalty was beyond question and could (as you would expect be lamped off the lead). Yes she would choose rabbits, but then who wants a dog that runs across a field just to watch said rabbit pop down a burrow. Deer (pre ban) in good numbers too. Stamina aplenty and up until she was killed at ten years old I never seen her jaded never mind exhausted regardless of the rigours of the day. One other thing which to me is very important and often overlooked now was the fact she was never seriously injured in her whole working life unlike many of her racier less robust counterparts. First crosses aren't for everyone, they do have their faults, jealousy, possessiveness and can take the hump if chastised. I don't know if I was lucky, I do think she was the right dog in the right hands at the right time in my life and I think when all these things come together a collie cross ( not necessarily a first cross) is the most versatile of dogs.

[2.8 guy 403]

only ever been 2.8 guy the main lurcher blood was border collie bred out of obedience collies to coursing greyhounds but along the lines came eddie jones celt plummers merle rosie and griff moss pearsons bonnie ect ect at one time all this was fashionable when i stopped with them they was 12 genaration and i think it was all too much a guy i new kept on producing this line he bred phil loyds honey yet again no good the strain had lost its way i put spens brother to a striaght greyhound all the pups worked well some a little too big some too fragile but all game all intelligent i think if you drop on a good one it will take some beating drop on a bad one and the pain of parting with a new friend not to mention the time and effort is harsh

[KittleRox 2,147]

I had a first cross border collie greyhound from Hancock, sired by Rufus the red which seemed to produce good all round dogs. The one thing I did notice all those years ago was that many people incapable of training a dog bought a collie cross (often from Hancock) thinking due to it's collie makeup it would be clever, self enter and require little training and then find this wasn't the case and promptly blame the dog and also the breeder. The bitch I had was superb, racy enough to be a good all rounder taking all quarry, she had an inbuilt hatred of foxes and anything else with teeth. She caught hundreds of hares some hunted up ( she had the best nose I have seen on a dog) and a respectable amount after quality runs. Her obedience and loyalty was beyond question and could (as you would expect be lamped off the lead). Yes she would choose rabbits, but then who wants a dog that runs across a field just to watch said rabbit pop down a burrow. Deer (pre ban) in good numbers too. Stamina aplenty and up until she was killed at ten years old I never seen her jaded never mind exhausted regardless of the rigours of the day. One other thing which to me is very important and often overlooked now was the fact she was never seriously injured in her whole working life unlike many of her racier less robust counterparts. First crosses aren't for everyone, they do have their faults, jealousy, possessiveness and can take the hump if chastised. I don't know if I was lucky, I do think she was the right dog in the right hands at the right time in my life and I think when all these things come together a collie cross ( not necessarily a first cross) is the most versatile of dogs.

Great post , picking up on your point about raciness, great example of what you,re talking about in the don dog pictured, lose some pace for robustness, much less hassle

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Edited June 22, 2016 by edrd

[frankel 2,123]

I'd say ugly only jocking frankel hope he's getting better in that portomag I got yr dad a few years ago it will defo help him out liked his sisters to some like them some don't personally the best daytime hare dog I personally Ever seen was from good collie blood I seen him kill week in week out singlehanded and mostly in the 5 and 6 Mark every time he's the only dog to kill over 10 that I've seen daytime but that was long ago il dry dig a picture of him out like the bryn dog to and a few others atb

...he is back in the portamag mate and rubbing some iodized oil into his leg twice a day. But the portamag has been working brilliant for us best invention ever for dogs haha He has injured his leg again (the one he broke last year) i just hope he heals quick for the back end of the season if not he will have an extra long summer off

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Edited June 22, 2016 by edrd

[2.8 guy 403]

HI again alot mentioned about the owners of collie xs and that bad trainers are to blame for poor dogs in some cases poss yes in mine no i trained mine to a very high standard qualified 3 years in a row for chatsworth obeidence and in one of the years coming second in the advanced obiedence then whent on to judge for the N L R C for a few years after it goes without saying i enter dogs correctly too to hunting its just that some are no good

[5atchers 2]

Two things stand out for me as to why a collie saturated dog will be any good or a failure, the type of collie used in the first place, steer clear of nervous types, go for hard working steady type animals

 

and also the man behind the dog as any mistakes made during training can feck a collie type right up

To right!my colliex stopped chasing at 2yrs for 6months down to an incident on a chase.

Shes going strong 10 yrs on,loyal dogs.

[mackay 3,481]

HI again alot mentioned about the owners of collie xs and that bad trainers are to blame for poor dogs in some cases poss yes in mine no i trained mine to a very high standard qualified 3 years in a row for chatsworth obeidence and in one of the years coming second in the advanced obiedence then whent on to judge for the N L R C for a few years after it goes without saying i enter dogs correctly too to hunting its just that some are no good

 

Obedience is a must in a working lurcher but only if incorporated into hunting, an obedient dog with no exposure to hunting is simply an obedient dog and not a catcher of game. I attended the NLRC field trials at Blairgowrie 1992 ( I think) and I wouldn't have paid tuppence for any dog there. Too much emphasis had been put on obedience whereas it was blatantly obvious the dogs present lacked hands on experience. I'm not knocking the trials the whole idea was to bring an element of respectability to lurcher ownership and fair play to all the people who tried to make that happen by having biddable well mannered dogs but the requirements of a dog to qualify to get to the final were not very taxing to say the least. It was then marketed as the final competition between the three top dogs from each mainland country IE the top nine dogs in Britain when in truth all competing dogs rolled together wouldn't amount to that of a well worked dog.

[doga 50]

like a greek god to me, but ugly to some lol.

strong looking dog him mate,i love a collie lurcher do some stuff with um.

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Edited June 22, 2016 by edrd

[KittleRox 2,147]

HI again alot mentioned about the owners of collie xs and that bad trainers are to blame for poor dogs in some cases poss yes in mine no i trained mine to a very high standard qualified 3 years in a row for chatsworth obeidence and in one of the years coming second in the advanced obiedence then whent on to judge for the N L R C for a few years after it goes without saying i enter dogs correctly too to hunting its just that some are no good

 

Obedience is a must in a working lurcher but only if incorporated into hunting, an obedient dog with no exposure to hunting is simply an obedient dog and not a catcher of game. I attended the NLRC field trials at Blairgowrie 1992 ( I think) and I wouldn't have paid tuppence for any dog there. Too much emphasis had been put on obedience whereas it was blatantly obvious the dogs present lacked hands on experience. I'm not knocking the trials the whole idea was to bring an element of respectability to lurcher ownership and fair play to all the people who tried to make that happen by having biddable well mannered dogs but the requirements of a dog to qualify to get to the final were not very taxing to say the least. It was then marketed as the final competition between the three top dogs from each mainland country IE the top nine dogs in Britain when in truth all competing dogs rolled together wouldn't amount to that of a well worked dog.

interesting, do you think if the trials were to be repeated with more challenging aspects of obedience work would folk come up to scratch or would it be a waste of time,

or to put it another way, would a more taxing competition give a good reflection of a dogs working ability in the field

Edited January 7, 2012 by KittleRox