Stephen Lawrence trial

[scothunter 12,609]

now thats better dws see you ditched the insults. good for you. seen the pic yes,but you wont anymoreit was in one of the papers when all this first happened. i actually thought you had taken my advice on had me on ignore,as you chose to ignore my post explaining my reasoning abot the memorial.as did beeza after your insults lol

[Guest bezza]

I cannot believe some of the posts in this thread. Is THL a breakaway section of the BNP? I've heard it all now. Just listen to some of the points made in this thread: 1) The double jeopardy law should never have been repealed for a 'black' teenager. When a law is a bad law and allows oxygen thieves to swagger around laughing at the law then the law is a bad law and needs to be changed. 2)SL was no angel and was a member of a black power organisation. Firstly he had never been in trouble in his life, he was a clever studious lad. Secondly the 'evidence' for his black power allegiance seems to be he has a clenched fist in the photo that appears in the media.Big fecking deal! He was a young lad probably being macho for the camera. In any case the black power salute was about civil rights not about world domination! It was started by two Olympic athletes trying to make a point about America being proud of its athletes but not allowing the same athletes access to a 'white' cafe for instance. It was the same reason Mohammad Ali threw his gold medal away. 3) There is no problem with race relations in this country. What was the trigger for the recent riots? Why is black and mixed race unempolyment higher than white unemployment? (FFS don't give me the lazy Sambo crap') Why is there a disproportionate number of black deaths in police custody? This fact is not disputed by the police. 4) The SL family were made a special case because they were black.The fact is they faced what has been called 'institutionalised racism' right from the start. DESPITE the racism they managed to get a conviction. Credit also is due to the The Daily Mail which also made the authorities act by publically naming the murderers and inviting them to sue. 5) The murderers deserve our sympathy because they faced an onslaught of black organisations determined to see them locked up. Yes they did and well done.Shit like that who have never contributed anything to society but evil, they should have the key thrown away. Very well done those black people and institutions for never giving up. 6)The murderous, cowardly shit deserve respect because they have never revealed the identity of the the gang member who wielded the knife.But this situation is not a case of ordinary 'grassing'. It's far more likely that the rest of the gang are terrified of the reprisals which will visit their families if he is named. I fully expect that when the realisation that they will not get out after they've served their tariff unless they express remorse and can prove that are no longer a threat to society(in real terms this means spilling the beans on the identity of the actual murderer) then the prize shit will be named --as long as the informant's family can be given police protection which will probably mean being resettled under assumed identities. 7) The commemorative plaque placed where SL was knifed was defaced by black people to stir up more support for blacks. What bollocks. Black people who gathered at the plaque after the court verdict were spat upon and verbally abused by white people. It only stopped when a cop car with a camera was sent to the scene And Gnasher you tell me there's no problem with race relations in this country? Anybody who expresses support for SL and his family is left wing, perhaps Gnasher you meant what is normally referred to as dogooding bleeding heart liberals'. Well I plead guilty to the 'charge of being left wing'. How could you not be left wing and be working class? Inequality of all types is growing in this country. It took hundreds years of fight to get decent housing, employment rights and an NHS. This Eton mafia are busily dismantling it to the cheers of working class tories like you Gnasher. I think there's a lot of mixed up ideas in this thread. 'Blackness' is mixed up with both legal and illegal immigration. There's a feeling that white working class people are last in the queue when it comes to housing, benefits etc.This has feck all to do with the murder of a lad because he was black. Of course there's also the white racist brigade who don't like black superioty in athletics, or boxing or disco dancing lol. There's also those weirdos who fear blacks because they're supposed to be better endowed and 'steal' our white women. A lot of the posts in this thread could and would have been written in South Africa or pre civil rights America. Feckin unbelievable. I tell you what, I would not like to spend a night in a bar with some of you lads, it would almost be as bad as spending a night drinking with the murderous gang themselves.

Edited January 6, 2012 by bezza

[scothunter 12,609]

you said it was repeately attacked by blacks. . i never said that. i suggested i was suspicious.my point was if antis and lac supporters can be accused and held with suspicion,for making stuff up and doing stuff themself to bolster thier cause,i dont see why you could thin that organisations like black power and others just as fanatically wouldnt stoop to that level.do you trully believe they could never be capable of that.

[lanesra 3,994]

sorry for your loss lanesra. dont know about england,but its a custodial up here for carrying a blade,regardless of no previous. i agree take a life you need to be punished that goes without saying. this case is a shambles no one can defo pin down what happened that night.

Alright mate , i agree with the racist card constantly played and also think a white kid being murdered wouldnt off carried this publicity and police work , i think us british whites are treated as 2nd class citizins and as for muslims dont go there lol but i just think a young man to die for basically nothing is horrific and will destroy them left behind for life , the establishment looks after its self you fook them about they take no prisioners , look at the sentence handed out to Raoul Moats 2 friends ,fair enough 1 off them gave him a gun and deserves to be held to account then look at the lad who done the same for the lad who shot young Rees Jones probably got a third off the time Moats pal got and i donnt think anyone can justify that gulf in sentence and the reason i feel is Moate attacked the police , the Government send the message down the line and those in power act be it judges police ect

[goldfinch2007 2,332]

justice was served but i feel for the lads who got sentenced as well.how many times did yous commit violent crimes in the past,i know i did and never thought of the consequences because of youth.

[scothunter 12,609]

tbh lansera there lies the whole crux of the matter. if we had a level playing field for both blacks and whites,this wouldnt have resulted in the circus that it has become. goverment bleating on about racists,well i got news for them,you created them,and that f*****g mouth piece abbot is just adding fuel to the fire. even ma old mother who hasnt a bad word to say about anyone thinks this country is trwating whites as second class citizens more and more. a theme im hearing more and more from people you wouldnt have said it years ago. folk are waking up in this nation, and they aint liking what they see.

[dws1410 8]

now thats better dws see you ditched the insults. good for you. seen the pic yes,but you wont anymoreit was in one of the papers when all this first happened. i actually thought you had taken my advice on had me on ignore,as you chose to ignore my post explaining my reasoning abot the memorial.as did beeza after your insults lol

pish! there is a photo of lad the with his fist clenched but its as close to the black power salute as i am to chinese. and i never replied to your post about the memorial because i thought it was so idiotic id be insulting myself by replying

[Work them hard 339]

now thats better dws see you ditched the insults. good for you. seen the pic yes,but you wont anymoreit was in one of the papers when all this first happened. i actually thought you had taken my advice on had me on ignore,as you chose to ignore my post explaining my reasoning abot the memorial.as did beeza after your insults lol

pish! there is a photo of lad the with his fist clenched but its as close to the black power salute as i am to chinese. and i never replied to your post about the memorial because i thought it was so idiotic id be insulting myself by replying

 

You could be chinese for all we know

[gnasher16 30,121]

I cannot believe some of the posts in this thread. Is THL a breakaway section of the BNP? I've heard it all now. Just listen to some of the points made in this thread: 1) The double jeopardy law should never have been repealed for a 'black' teenager. When a law is a bad law and allows oxygen thieves to swagger around laughing at the law then the law is a bad law and needs to be changed. 2)SL was no angel and was a member of a black power organisation. Firstly he had never been in trouble in his life, he was a clever studious lad. Secondly the 'evidence' for his black power allegiance seems to be he has a clenched fist in the photo that appears in the media.Big fecking deal! He was a young lad probably being macho for the camera. In any case the black power salute was about civil rights not about world domination! It was started by two Olympic athletes trying to make a point about America being proud of its athletes but not allowing the same athletes access to a 'white' cafe for instance. It was the same reason Mohammad Ali threw his gold medal away. 3) There is no problem with race relations in this country. What was the trigger for the recent riots? Why is black and mixed race unempolyment higher than white unemployment? (FFS don't give me the lazy Sambo crap') Why is there a disproportionate number of black deaths in police custody? This fact is not disputed by the police. 4) The SL family were made a special case because they were black.The fact is they faced what has been called 'institutionalised racism' right from the start. DESPITE the racism they managed to get a conviction. Credit also is due to the The Daily Mail which also made the authorities act by publically naming the murderers and inviting them to sue. 5) The murderers deserve our sympathy because they faced an onslaught of black organisations determined to see them locked up. Yes they did and well done.Shit like that who have never contributed anything to society but evil, they should have the key thrown away. Very well done those black people and institutions for never giving up. 6)The murderous, cowardly shit deserve respect because they have never revealed the identity of the the gang member who wielded the knife.But this situation is not a case of ordinary 'grassing'. It's far more likely that the rest of the gang are terrified of the reprisals which will visit their families if he is named. I fully expect that when the realisation that they will not get out after they've served their tariff unless they express remorse and can prove that are no longer a threat to society(in real terms this means spilling the beans on the identity of the actual murderer) then the prize shit will be named --as long as the informant's family can be given police protection which will probably mean being resettled under assumed identities. 7) The commemorative plaque placed where SL was knifed was defaced by black people to stir up more support for blacks. What bollocks. Black people who gathered at the plaque after the court verdict were spat upon and verbally abused by white people. It only stopped when a cop car with a camera was sent to the scene And Gnasher you tell me there's no problem with race relations in this country? Anybody who expresses support for SL and his family is left wing, perhaps Gnasher you meant what is normally referred to as dogooding bleeding heart liberals'. Well I plead guilty to the 'charge of being left wing'. How could you not be left wing and be working class? Inequality of all types is growing in this country. It took hundreds years of fight to get decent housing, employment rights and an NHS. This Eton mafia are busily dismantling it to the cheers of working class tories like you Gnasher. I think there's a lot of mixed up ideas in this thread. 'Blackness' is mixed up with both legal and illegal immigration. There's a feeling that white working class people are last in the queue when it comes to housing, benefits etc.This has feck all to do with the murder of a lad because he was black. Of course there's also the white racist brigade who don't like black superioty in athletics, or boxing or disco dancing lol. There's also those weirdos who fear blacks because they're supposed to be better endowed and 'steal' our white women. A lot of the posts in this thread could and would have been written in South Africa or pre civil rights America. Feckin unbelievable. I tell you what, I would not like to spend a night in a bar with some of you lads, it would almost be as bad as spending a night drinking with the murderous gang themselves.

 

1....Correct,all bad laws should be changed.....but surely 800 years is rather a long time to recognise and change a bad law im sure you would agree....hence its my belief that the timing of the change being during a high profile case involving a black man wasnt just coincidence....it was bending over backwards to help the poor repressed black man.

2....I didnt know Lawrence,maybe you did as you think he was a clever lad......do you think this 19 year old lad was clever enough to understand the whole civil rights/black power thing.....after all this is England a predominantly white christian country......if i walked around Israel with my right arm in the air fingers pointed Jews might say im not particularly clever.

3....The only people with race problems in this country are the so called " victims "......i dont have a problem with race relations but im just a lowly white Englishman....disproportionate number of black deaths in police custody might have something to do with the amount of blacks commiting crime compared to white....have a little read of this http://warband.wordp...olour-of-crime/

4....Cant disagree with that.

5....Do you think in your heart of hearts if Stephen Lawrence had been a white boy this case would have dragged on 20 years ?....2 white parents,white friends,white supporters seeking justice for a simple murder ?...50 million pounds this case has cost......black kills white,white kills white would it have been worth 50 million ? i dont think so.

6....Terrified of reprisals from the families ...these boys were not gangsters with ruthless reputations,look at the pictures of them they hardly look big scarey chaps not to be messed with !....shitbags yes,but it is possible to be a shitbag and still have some honour,certain folk dont have it in them to grass simple as that it dont mean they deserve respect its just something some folk myself included regard as a quality in a man....some folk dont and thats fine.

7....Stephen Lawrence should never have had a commemorative plaque placed........he wasnt some sort of messiah to be hero worshipped he was a black kid who got killed nothing more......some families put flowers at the site of a road accident where they have lost somebody....very few families think they are that special that they build a commemorative plaque like it was royalty......

 

Just to add Bezza my guess is your a black fella so i say all this respectfully with that in mind....ive had plenty of black friends over the years and never had problems expressing views either way.......im not sure that could happen with the Lawrences and maybe that in itself says a lot.

Edited January 6, 2012 by gnasher16

[Waz 4,262]

I cannot believe some of the posts in this thread. Is THL a breakaway section of the BNP? I've heard it all now. Just listen to some of the points made in this thread: 1) The double jeopardy law should never have been repealed for a 'black' teenager. When a law is a bad law and allows oxygen thieves to swagger around laughing at the law then the law is a bad law and needs to be changed. 2)SL was no angel and was a member of a black power organisation. Firstly he had never been in trouble in his life, he was a clever studious lad. Secondly the 'evidence' for his black power allegiance seems to be he has a clenched fist in the photo that appears in the media.Big fecking deal! He was a young lad probably being macho for the camera. In any case the black power salute was about civil rights not about world domination! It was started by two Olympic athletes trying to make a point about America being proud of its athletes but not allowing the same athletes access to a 'white' cafe for instance. It was the same reason Mohammad Ali threw his gold medal away. 3) There is no problem with race relations in this country. What was the trigger for the recent riots? Why is black and mixed race unempolyment higher than white unemployment? (FFS don't give me the lazy Sambo crap') Why is there a disproportionate number of black deaths in police custody? This fact is not disputed by the police. 4) The SL family were made a special case because they were black.The fact is they faced what has been called 'institutionalised racism' right from the start. DESPITE the racism they managed to get a conviction. Credit also is due to the The Daily Mail which also made the authorities act by publically naming the murderers and inviting them to sue. 5) The murderers deserve our sympathy because they faced an onslaught of black organisations determined to see them locked up. Yes they did and well done.Shit like that who have never contributed anything to society but evil, they should have the key thrown away. Very well done those black people and institutions for never giving up. 6)The murderous, cowardly shit deserve respect because they have never revealed the identity of the the gang member who wielded the knife.But this situation is not a case of ordinary 'grassing'. It's far more likely that the rest of the gang are terrified of the reprisals which will visit their families if he is named. I fully expect that when the realisation that they will not get out after they've served their tariff unless they express remorse and can prove that are no longer a threat to society(in real terms this means spilling the beans on the identity of the actual murderer) then the prize shit will be named --as long as the informant's family can be given police protection which will probably mean being resettled under assumed identities. 7) The commemorative plaque placed where SL was knifed was defaced by black people to stir up more support for blacks. What bollocks. Black people who gathered at the plaque after the court verdict were spat upon and verbally abused by white people. It only stopped when a cop car with a camera was sent to the scene And Gnasher you tell me there's no problem with race relations in this country? Anybody who expresses support for SL and his family is left wing, perhaps Gnasher you meant what is normally referred to as dogooding bleeding heart liberals'. Well I plead guilty to the 'charge of being left wing'. How could you not be left wing and be working class? Inequality of all types is growing in this country. It took hundreds years of fight to get decent housing, employment rights and an NHS. This Eton mafia are busily dismantling it to the cheers of working class tories like you Gnasher. I think there's a lot of mixed up ideas in this thread. 'Blackness' is mixed up with both legal and illegal immigration. There's a feeling that white working class people are last in the queue when it comes to housing, benefits etc.This has feck all to do with the murder of a lad because he was black. Of course there's also the white racist brigade who don't like black superioty in athletics, or boxing or disco dancing lol. There's also those weirdos who fear blacks because they're supposed to be better endowed and 'steal' our white women. A lot of the posts in this thread could and would have been written in South Africa or pre civil rights America. Feckin unbelievable. I tell you what, I would not like to spend a night in a bar with some of you lads, it would almost be as bad as spending a night drinking with the murderous gang themselves.

 

1....Correct,all bad laws should be changed.....but surely 800 years is rather a long time to recognise and change a bad law im sure you would agree....hence its my belief that the timing of the change being during a high profile case involving a black man wasnt just coincidence....it was bending over backwards to help the poor repressed black man.

2....I didnt know Lawrence,maybe you did as you think he was a clever lad......do you think this 19 year old lad was clever enough to understand the whole civil rights/black power thing.....after all this is England a predominantly white christian country......if i walked around Israel with my right arm in the air fingers pointed Jews might say im not particularly clever.

3....The only people with race problems in this country are the so called " victims "......i dont have a problem with race relations but im just a lowly white Englishman....disproportionate number of black deaths in police custody might have something to do with the amount of blacks commiting crime compared to white....have a little read of this http://warband.wordp...olour-of-crime/

4....Cant disagree with that.

5....Do you think in your heart of hearts if Stephen Lawrence had been a white boy this case would have dragged on 20 years ?....2 white parents,white friends,white supporters seeking justice for a simple murder ?...i dont think so.

6....Terrified of reprisals from the families ...these boys were not gangsters with ruthless reputations,look at the pictures of them they hardly look big scarey chaps not to be messed with !....shitbags yes,but it is possible to be a shitbag and still have some honour,certain folk dont have it in them to grass simple as that it dont mean they deserve respect its just something some folk myself included regard as a quality in a man....some folk dont and thats fine.

7....Stephen Lawrence should never have had a commemorative plaque placed........he wasnt some sort of messiah to be hero worshipped he was a black kid who got killed nothing more......some families put flowers at the site of a road accident where they have lost somebody....very few families think they are that special that they build a commemorative plaque like it was royalty......

 

Just to add Bezza my guess is your a black fella so i say all this respectfully with that in mind....ive had plenty of black friends over the years and never had problems expressing views either way.......im not sure that could happen with the Lawrences and maybe that in itself says a lot.

 

Arthur Fowler got his own bench....

[gnasher16 30,121]

justice was served but i feel for the lads who got sentenced as well.how many times did yous commit violent crimes in the past,i know i did and never thought of the consequences because of youth.

 

I dont feel sorry for them for any other reason than the fact that if they had killed a white boy instead of a black boy we wouldnt even know their names !....We all have to accept that if we,re caught we have to take the punishment.....but punishment by a jury is one thing,punishment by an entire nation is something different altogether,and not right.

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

Once again gnasher you put it in writing how it should be come on bezza you have been answered now tell me any of them points you raised that gnasher replied to is not true

[scothunter 12,609]

now thats better dws see you ditched the insults. good for you. seen the pic yes,but you wont anymoreit was in one of the papers when all this first happened. i actually thought you had taken my advice on had me on ignore,as you chose to ignore my post explaining my reasoning abot the memorial.as did beeza after your insults lol

pish! there is a photo of lad the with his fist clenched but its as close to the black power salute as i am to chinese. and i never replied to your post about the memorial because i thought it was so idiotic id be insulting myself by replying

 

seen you replying posts with the word pish. in your opinion it may be.no i dont find it idiotic at all.so we will just have disagree on that.

[scothunter 12,609]

if only you were allowed to answer those questions again gnasher to the whole nation,via question time. there not a MAN with hand on heart could honestly disagree with that.

[craigyboy 1,274]

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