4 shot dead in peterlee with shotgun

[antg 1,784]

Durham firearms officers don't seem to have a very good track record. they were taking guns which were meant to be destroyed and selling them on! corrupt feckers for sure

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10581584

[lapin2008 1,587]

The laws relating to Firearms in this country are archaic. just about anyone with a fairly good police record can obtain a rifle based on a 5 minute interview with a "rushed of his feet" FEO. Lets face it you need a days training to use a power tool in most companies these days yet almost anyone can obtain a firearm. I think the time will come when all applicants will need to complete a minimum of a 3 day safety and assessment course, so that a person can be better judged and their general attitude towards guns can be assessed. Probably some sort of Physiological profiling along with Annual mental health reports from a GP. I'm not saying it will solve all the problems but Thats they way I can see things going in the future.

Mate there are no problems currently, people murder each other especially their relatives in this country on a weekly basis if he had of used a kitchen knife or a cricket bat it just wouldnt get as much media coverage. The steps taken by police when assessing folks for guns are more then adequate/stringent already.

 

Other this one (who should have had them removed when self harm came to light) and that other derick bird idiot there have been no other incidents like this (that i know of) with legal firearms since the Dunblane tradgedy and that was 15 odd years ago

[bert69 5]

That bloody Jeremy Vine gives airtime to mongs who spout such nonsense as 'all those who own guns are psychotic and should be locked up' yet when i phone up to give my view they aren't taking anymore calls, typical!

[lapin2008 1,587]

That bloody Jeremy Vine gives airtime to mongs who spout such nonsense as 'all those who own guns are psychotic and should be locked up' yet when i phone up to give my view they aren't taking anymore calls, typical!

Cant stand that whinney voiced prick, I stopped listening to that program its no good for my blood pressure

[pikeypaul 11]

I'm sure i heard somewhere that somebody has been killed with a knife this week,but it's not all over the news and tabloids!!

[Nik_B 3,790]

The laws relating to Firearms in this country are archaic. just about anyone with a fairly good police record can obtain a rifle based on a 5 minute interview with a "rushed of his feet" FEO. Lets face it you need a days training to use a power tool in most companies these days yet almost anyone can obtain a firearm. I think the time will come when all applicants will need to complete a minimum of a 3 day safety and assessment course, so that a person can be better judged and their general attitude towards guns can be assessed. Probably some sort of Physiological profiling along with Annual mental health reports from a GP. I'm not saying it will solve all the problems but Thats they way I can see things going in the future.

Mate there are no problems currently, people murder each other especially their relatives in this country on a weekly basis if he had of used a kitchen knife or a cricket bat it just wouldnt get as much media coverage. The steps taken by police when assessing folks for guns are more then adequate/stringent already.

 

Other this one (who should have had them removed when self harm came to light) and that other derick bird idiot there have been no other incidents like this (that i know of) with legal firearms since the Dunblane tradgedy and that was 15 odd years ago

 

I agree but we'd need more information on the self harm thing, did the police actually hear of a specific threat to kill himself? I think not, most likely he could have gone to his GP during a low point to get help with depression. These days doctors always ask if you've thought about suicide as they have a box to tick on their forms and I suspect they don't consider you to be sufficiently depressed to get pills etc unless you tell them you have thought about suicide, that can encourage someone to embellish their depression so they can get prozac but in reality they are just very very down and unlikely to do it. I can not believe for one minute the police were called out to an attempted suicide and he kept his guns. I think the Police were aware that he had been on antidepressants and had told his doctor that he had thought about suicide before he got his licence he probably had been off medication for quite a while and sufficient time had passed without him going back to the docs at which point he applied for those licences. I could be wrong here but I can't believe they would be aware of a serious decay of someones mental health and do nothing.

 

The big danger now is going to be a further push for medical assessments and closer ties with doctors which could be a disaster. What doctor in his right mind will take a chance signing someone off for a FAC or a SGC. The problem is they are not trained as psychologists or to spot mental stability problems unless someone is totally honest with how they are feeling and who would do that if they fear their licence will get revoked.

 

People that seek out help from a doctor etc have taken the most important step which is to talk about their problems such as stress or depression why punish them for honesty and seeking help? Most people have felt depressed at one point in their life but they didn't kill because of it.

 

Just like that nutter Bird, the man wasn't just a bit down...he went psycho!

[lapin2008 1,587]

The laws relating to Firearms in this country are archaic. just about anyone with a fairly good police record can obtain a rifle based on a 5 minute interview with a "rushed of his feet" FEO. Lets face it you need a days training to use a power tool in most companies these days yet almost anyone can obtain a firearm. I think the time will come when all applicants will need to complete a minimum of a 3 day safety and assessment course, so that a person can be better judged and their general attitude towards guns can be assessed. Probably some sort of Physiological profiling along with Annual mental health reports from a GP. I'm not saying it will solve all the problems but Thats they way I can see things going in the future.

Mate there are no problems currently, people murder each other especially their relatives in this country on a weekly basis if he had of used a kitchen knife or a cricket bat it just wouldnt get as much media coverage. The steps taken by police when assessing folks for guns are more then adequate/stringent already.

 

Other this one (who should have had them removed when self harm came to light) and that other derick bird idiot there have been no other incidents like this (that i know of) with legal firearms since the Dunblane tradgedy and that was 15 odd years ago

 

I agree but we'd need more information on the self harm thing, did the police actually hear of a specific threat to kill himself? I think not, most likely he could have gone to his GP during a low point to get help with depression. These days doctors always ask if you've thought about suicide as they have a box to tick on their forms and I suspect they don't consider you to be sufficiently depressed to get pills etc unless you tell them you have thought about suicide, that can encourage someone to embellish their depression so they can get prozac but in reality they are just very very down and unlikely to do it. I can not believe for one minute the police were called out to an attempted suicide and he kept his guns. I think the Police were aware that he had been on antidepressants and had told his doctor that he had thought about suicide before he got his licence he probably had been off medication for quite a while and sufficient time had passed without him going back to the docs at which point he applied for those licences. I could be wrong here but I can't believe they would be aware of a serious decay of someones mental health and do nothing.

 

The big danger now is going to be a further push for medical assessments and closer ties with doctors which could be a disaster. What doctor in his right mind will take a chance signing someone off for a FAC or a SGC. The problem is they are not trained as psychologists or to spot mental stability problems unless someone is totally honest with how they are feeling and who would do that if they fear their licence will get revoked.

 

People that seek out help from a doctor etc have taken the most important step which is to talk about their problems such as stress or depression why punish them for honesty and seeking help? Most people have felt depressed at one point in their life but they didn't kill because of it.

 

Just like that nutter Bird, the man wasn't just a bit down...he went psycho!

Not sure of the ins and outs of the self harm i thin i read that police had been called in 2008 but may be wrong. I agree that people should not be punished ofr trying to get help but you do have to draw the line somewhere

[charlie caller 3,654]

why dont these whack jobs go and shoot up a mosque if there so inclined to go on a gun rampage

Are you for real????? not really what you should be saying on an open forum is it.why havent the moderators stepped in and stopped this post,absolutely disgraceful what an @rse--le

[bird 9,970]

why dont these whack jobs go and shoot up a mosque if there so inclined to go on a gun rampage

Are you for real????? not really what you should be saying on an open forum is it.why havent the moderators stepped in and stopped this post,absolutely disgraceful what an @rse--le

true , dynamite would be better

[scothunter 12,609]

lol

[Lab 10,979]

The laws relating to Firearms in this country are archaic. just about anyone with a fairly good police record can obtain a rifle based on a 5 minute interview with a "rushed of his feet" FEO. Lets face it you need a days training to use a power tool in most companies these days yet almost anyone can obtain a firearm. I think the time will come when all applicants will need to complete a minimum of a 3 day safety and assessment course, so that a person can be better judged and their general attitude towards guns can be assessed. Probably some sort of Physiological profiling along with Annual mental health reports from a GP. I'm not saying it will solve all the problems but Thats they way I can see things going in the future.

Mate there are no problems currently, people murder each other especially their relatives in this country on a weekly basis if he had of used a kitchen knife or a cricket bat it just wouldnt get as much media coverage. The steps taken by police when assessing folks for guns are more then adequate/stringent already.

 

Other this one (who should have had them removed when self harm came to light) and that other derick bird idiot there have been no other incidents like this (that i know of) with legal firearms since the Dunblane tradgedy and that was 15 odd years ago

 

I agree but we'd need more information on the self harm thing, did the police actually hear of a specific threat to kill himself? I think not, most likely he could have gone to his GP during a low point to get help with depression. These days doctors always ask if you've thought about suicide as they have a box to tick on their forms and I suspect they don't consider you to be sufficiently depressed to get pills etc unless you tell them you have thought about suicide, that can encourage someone to embellish their depression so they can get prozac but in reality they are just very very down and unlikely to do it. I can not believe for one minute the police were called out to an attempted suicide and he kept his guns. I think the Police were aware that he had been on antidepressants and had told his doctor that he had thought about suicide before he got his licence he probably had been off medication for quite a while and sufficient time had passed without him going back to the docs at which point he applied for those licences. I could be wrong here but I can't believe they would be aware of a serious decay of someones mental health and do nothing.

 

The big danger now is going to be a further push for medical assessments and closer ties with doctors which could be a disaster. What doctor in his right mind will take a chance signing someone off for a FAC or a SGC. The problem is they are not trained as psychologists or to spot mental stability problems unless someone is totally honest with how they are feeling and who would do that if they fear their licence will get revoked.

 

People that seek out help from a doctor etc have taken the most important step which is to talk about their problems such as stress or depression why punish them for honesty and seeking help? Most people have felt depressed at one point in their life but they didn't kill because of it.

 

Just like that nutter Bird, the man wasn't just a bit down...he went psycho!

Are your saying that someone who thinks they have a mental problem should be allowed to retain there gun license after approaching a doctor for pills? What nonsense. Guns should be taken immediately and then you should have to prove you are in a fit state of mind to get your license back. No wonder this country is f****d with every Tom, dick and Harry going to the doctor for pills when they feel "a bit down"... Doesn't stop half the fuckers going on holiday and posting weekends on the pish when they are of work for 6 months. Boils my pish that!!!!

[Ideation 8,216]

The number of folk diagnosed as 'depressed' is fecking HUGE, probably even bigger than the number that have FAC's. . . . . . maybe only just.

 

One thing i definatly agree with is that there should be like in Germany, a bit of a shooting and gun saftey exam for anyone who wants a hunting / gun licence.

[Nik_B 3,790]

No Lab I am saying there is a danger that suddenly anyone who in the past has had a bit of the winter blues/lost a job/went through divorce and made the unfortunate choice of telling a doctor that they were felling a bit depressed might suddenly have their SGC revoked.

 

And yes if someone is suffering from serious depression they should lose their guns if they pose a threat but seriously how on earth are you going to find out until it is too late? Especially if gun owners are scared to go to a doctor in the first place.

 

Some police forces have already started sending letters to spouses asked them if they would like to comment on their husbands renewals and doctors have always been consulted regarding SGC/FACS.

[FightTheBan 1,147]

Firearms and shotgun licences are too easy to get a hold of IMO. Know of a few young lads with guns who spend every weekend coked out their mind. Too many licences being given out.

 

Await the barrage of abuse...

 

FTB

[Nik_B 3,790]

The number of folk diagnosed as 'depressed' is fecking HUGE, probably even bigger than the number that have FAC's. . . . . . maybe only just.

 

One thing i definatly agree with is that there should be like in Germany, a bit of a shooting and gun saftey exam for anyone who wants a hunting / gun licence.

 

Manchester police do like you to have done safety training for a SGC. I had lessons with a BASC coach for my SGC and I am a member of a rifle club and have shot their for a few years now so they would be ab le to determine that I shoot safely on the range.