bloody raging

[Born Hunter 17,763]

ive only the same experience as yourself. . namely the rearing and entering and then working one dog. i can relate to your post . but can also say that this stuborn streak is part of the dogs makeup and is what makes them special. it has been a difficult job at times. and may have taken a few years off my life. its best to take the positives out of it. these dogs only have black or white there are no shades of grey. give them an inch as a young dog and they will take a mile. and try to hold on to it for the rest of there lives

i would have another but i would do it very differently from an early age. they can be hard work. but they are worth it

 

this is meant for born hunter. i meant to quote your post.

 

I would be inclined to agree, my lack of experience really did show with my bitch. At times I did'nt know whether to take her out and shoot her or shoot myself. Shes really come good this season (her second) but her first was shocking, we were both just fighting each other at every corner. Like you say, If i ever get another wheaton bred dog or a pup that has the same attitude I will approach things very differently. Thanks.

[B.P.R 2,798]

Some right fannys going about on here

[chook1 184]

Iv seen the method of putting the dog that's had hold of a sheep in a pen with a older ewe with lambs at foot before not nice to watch and only needs to be on the pen for a few mins. But it works on a dog that's had a sheep before but I think the dog should be stock Brocken as a pup before it gets a chance to attack sheep.

 

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It could also have the opersate affect and the dog could end up turning the next time it saw sheep.

 

A few years ago someone i know of was recomended to do simler with their bull x, except it was with a small pony

the dog was muzzled and tied to a fence - the pony kicked the s**t out of the dog, a week later the dog was allowed to be loose around that pony,

lets just say that pony is very lucky to be alive, in the training of dogs there is no short cuts - you either do it properly or not at all.

[3 Turns 326]

ALRIGHT MATE .

TAKE IT BACK TO THE SHEEP ,AND IF IT EVEN LOOKS IN THEIR GENERAL DIRECTION.

KNOCK FECK OUT IT.

THEN LET IT OFF THE LEASH.

IF IT LOOKS AGAIN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPRIMAND FROM A DISTANCE,ITLL BE FRESH IN THE DOGS MIND THAT YOUR NOT HAPPY.

[MOO 730]

I see the keyboard hunters /experts have put there input into this thread like they do with most ...Putting a dog in a pen with a tup or ewe will not cure the problem it will either give the dog a real hatred or a real fear of sheep I know if any of my lurchers were locked in a pen with even several tups there would only be 1 animal walking away alive from that situation and it wouldnt have wool on its back but in its mouth ....

I have had a situation wih Tigger years ago where he had not been worked for 6 weeks due to an injury so lets just say he was a bit excitable at getting to do a bit of graft we were on the hill and there were some hinds kicking about so the scent of them realy got him wound up and a hill ewe jump up from a peat hag and he nailed it .... I would have said this dog was 100% with sheeep but it just shows that in the right or in this the wrong situation things can happen ....now I took that dog to nearly an inch of his life once i got him off the ewe and the next week had him back to basics in amongst sheep ....I am lucky that all my permission has sheep so my dogs are always exposed to livestock ....so my advice to you Denned is forget about the wannabe Barbara Woodhouses on here with there locking the dog in a pen with a tup ,shock collars and shooting the dog ....just get back to basics with your livestock breaking ...it can be done

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Iv seen the method of putting the dog that's had hold of a sheep in a pen with a older ewe with lambs at foot before not nice to watch and only needs to be on the pen for a few mins. But it works on a dog that's had a sheep before but I think the dog should be stock Brocken as a pup before it gets a chance to attack sheep.

 

http://i1195.photobu...er/IMG_0013.png

 

It could also have the opersate affect and the dog could end up turning the next time it saw sheep.

 

A few years ago someone i know of was recomended to do simler with their bull x, except it was with a small pony

the dog was muzzled and tied to a fence - the pony kicked the s**t out of the dog, a week later the dog was allowed to be loose around that pony,

lets just say that pony is very lucky to be alive, in the training of dogs there is no short cuts - you either do it properly or not at all.

 

That dog wer'nt called Bracken by any chance?

[dennned 172]

I see the keyboard hunters /experts have put there input into this thread like they do with most ...Putting a dog in a pen with a tup or ewe will not cure the problem it will either give the dog a real hatred or a real fear of sheep I know if any of my lurchers were locked in a pen with even several tups there would only be 1 animal walking away alive from that situation and it wouldnt have wool on its back but in its mouth ....

I have had a situation wih Tigger years ago where he had not been worked for 6 weeks due to an injury so lets just say he was a bit excitable at getting to do a bit of graft we were on the hill and there were some hinds kicking about so the scent of them realy got him wound up and a hill ewe jump up from a peat hag and he nailed it .... I would have said this dog was 100% with sheeep but it just shows that in the right or in this the wrong situation things can happen ....now I took that dog to nearly an inch of his life once i got him off the ewe and the next week had him back to basics in amongst sheep ....I am lucky that all my permission has sheep so my dogs are always exposed to livestock ....so my advice to you Denned is forget about the wannabe Barbara Woodhouses on here with there locking the dog in a pen with a tup ,shock collars and shooting the dog ....just get back to basics with your livestock breaking ...it can be done

 

moo , sound advice i'm taking , had them for years as you know , but this f****r the hardest i've had he's one stubborn b*****d , if it takes me months and i miss the season so be it , but i will i'm sure sort this out , either that or i've failed ---den

[dennned 172]

cheers , i'm not sticking up for the dog as it was as much me to blame as the dog, never had him on the lead, stupid i know , but i accept that, on a previous night in same field he had his first kill, no sheep in it then , so again he's obviously thought there was other things there, so to speak, took off then encountered the sheep , my fault as i said , but it still does'nt allow the dog to grab sheep , then or in the future ------den

[Giro 2,648]

Yeah Moos is good advice but its not all clean cut like that...

 

I would hardly bracket myself in with the "Barbara Woodhouse" and I resorted to using a collar with great succsess..

 

If a dogs that stupid after repitive floggings and then fires back into a sheep and is wagging its tail. What can you you do?? After several desensitisation sessions over months walking through sheep and correcting for looking.

 

There are resposible steps we have to take, and some wont be cured no matter what.. older and wiser fellows have parted with excellent foxing lurchers due to the lust for mutton.

 

I would respect lads more for trying to cure there own or dogs shortcomings than punting them on or giving up hope.

 

If you want Denned a trip to Cumbria, I would take you out with the collar..

 

I had my dog among sheep since its jabs it changed over night, the dog was taken to a inch of its life on each occassion however it wanted them sheep more and it seen the kicking was a price it was willing to pay.

 

Hope you sort it fella, was right upsetting for me when out lamping being warriy which feilds had stock and even neighbouring feilds. It becomes stressful for man and beast.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Giro

[dennned 172]

Yeah Moos is good advice but its not all clean cut like that...

 

I would hardly bracket myself in with the "Barbara Woodhouse" and I resorted to using a collar with great succsess..

 

If a dogs that stupid after repitive floggings and then fires back into a sheep and is wagging its tail. What can you you do?? After several desensitisation sessions over months walking through sheep and correcting for looking.

 

There are resposible steps we have to take, and some wont be cured no matter what.. older and wiser fellows have parted with excellent foxing lurchers due to the lust for mutton.

 

I would respect lads more for trying to cure there own or dogs shortcomings than punting them on or giving up hope.

 

If you want Denned a trip to Cumbria, I would take you out with the collar..

 

I had my dog among sheep since its jabs it changed over night, the dog was taken to a inch of its life on each occassion however it wanted them sheep more and it seen the kicking was a price it was willing to pay.

 

Hope you sort it fella, was right upsetting for me when out lamping being warriy which feilds had stock and even neighbouring feilds. It becomes stressful for man and beast.

 

thanks giro for the offer , i might need to , give me a few weeks here first , den

[whin 463]

^{how did ye get on den ,dont listen to alot of them, i walk my pup every other day with mother she looked at sheep first day a few litle whipps with leash she doesnt even pass them them time of day , now shees off leash ,sheep are folowing us and she thinks whats the big deal but ive always believed in lots of seeing qaurry you dont want to chase ,first ,easiest way ,some areas i hunted you never saw sheep but were i am now you have to be on top of them ,but its not to difficult if youre expierenced trainin dogs entering dogs all the best , youll get there , if not well keep it stoom}

[Moll. 1,770]

If your still wary come early April, you are more than welcome to bring him here Den

 

[FightTheBan 1,147]

What to do is take him back to a field rammed full of sheep, get him right geed up then slip him on them. Then run about after him shouting and screaming like a total wanker.

 

It wont cure the problem but your reply on here will be very very funny.

 

FTB