What lurcher to buy

[robert michem 314]

its pot look what x you get,,, at the end of the day hits what go,s into them,,,, iff i went to private schooling. and a good teacher. i wud not be out all hours of a nite catching rabb,s.. and i would be rolling in it,,

[poacher3161 1,766]

Poacher3161, how bad do you find the variation in lurcher to lurcher of different breeding....any tips

cheers

 

Taking into account im after a bitch probably 24inch or less.

I have always found lurcher to lurcher bred dogs have better stamina recovery and durability.Their can be a lot of variation in lurcher to lurcher bred types the type i kept for years could be a bit sensitive temprement wise due to collie influence.

[whip x grey 276]

whip /greys

 

are known to burn out poacher,,,,but there always known threwout history to have good recovery,,,depending on the dog,,,i,e fittness ( iam so going to get hard time over this lol,,,google longdogs dont take my word for it lol),,,,,,,but they can be stupid at times

 

thats were a splash off collie makes the diffrence

 

 

uve not told me ,,,,,what whip/grey was yer lurcher dog ?????????

[poacher3161 1,766]

whip /greys

 

are known to burn out poacher,,,,but there always known threwout history to have good recovery,,,depending on the dog,,,i,e fittness ( iam so going to get hard time over this lol,,,google longdogs dont take my word for it lol),,,,,,,but they can be stupid at times

 

thats were a splash off collie makes the diffrence

 

 

uve not told me ,,,,,what whip/grey was yer lurcher dog ?????????

Why wat buissness is it of yours and the brother to my bitch wich is a stronger dog has sufferd no injurys but my mate who owns him said he is not in the same leuge as the lurcher to lurcher types hes owned.

[whip x grey 276]

wow paocher ,,,calm down,,,,,one minute yer saying yer dog is an injury accident,,,,,next ur telling me litter mate isnt,,,,i know what litters can throw

 

but yer lurcher breed that way ,,,,more sighthound /long dog than working,,,,,,was never suppose to preform as a lurcher x lurcher,,,lamping nets ect ect ,,,just daytime no aids ,,,,hence this topic

 

 

calm down,,,,,jesus

Edited December 29, 2011 by whip x grey

[bo88y 46]

Here whip grey, were you at kirckaldy this year

[whip x grey 276]

yes,,,,iam usally the mug that does the lure ,,,and my dogs always come runner up

 

and i have to watch familys dogs and members dogs come 1st lol lol,,,,i,e insane jane / sugar rush / almost bobs / biddy ,,,,the list goes on

 

i dont know if ill be back to kirkcaldy next year ,,,as i live north ,,,fuel money is making it harder,,,,,,ill always make a point next year to lure drive at scottish derby when 100 to 200 whip/grey,s from england scotland and irland battle it out on speed,,,,even if i cant race next year,,,,,hardbloods will be a thing off the past in scotland,,,,but hopfully not on my watch,,,as they produce the best whip/greys in the world (THATS ONE BREED LURCHER GUYS WILL NEVER HAVE TO IMPORT :laugh: ) ,,,barr none,,,depite the odd injury,,,,

Edited December 29, 2011 by whip x grey

[foxing machine 144]

not being funny mate but imo only you can make that choice. good luuck with macking the right one atb fm

[blan89 159]

i'm probably not qualified to give advice here,but i'd just try and find a pup of any breeding that is bred of parents doing what you want.

[canaliculata 28]

Cheers all.

[arcticgun 4,548]

speak to other lurcher lads in the area you live and see whats running well, maybe get an invite out etc, might even get to know of upcoming litters that would suit you mate, best of luck with it pal

[whip x grey 276]

speak to other lurcher lads in the area you live and see whats running well, maybe get an invite out etc, might even get to know of upcoming litters that would suit you mate, best of luck with it pal

 

thats good adivise,,,,but can i ask canaliculata,,,,,WHY DAYTIME???? ur speaking running dogs then,,,those guys are a diffrent breed who own them,,,that bring out the very best out on the day,,,,which makes it harder as they aint out for the odd mooch ,,,,there out to run the best sport the land can offer

 

why dont ya go down the path off the lamping /mooching lurcher??????

Edited December 30, 2011 by whip x grey

[blan89 159]

speak to other lurcher lads in the area you live and see whats running well, maybe get an invite out etc, might even get to know of upcoming litters that would suit you mate, best of luck with it pal

 

thats good adivise,,,,but can i ask canaliculata,,,,,WHY DAYTIME???? ur speaking running dogs then,,,those guys are a diffrent breed who own them,,,that bring out the very best out on the day,,,,which makes it harder as they aint out for the odd mooch ,,,,there out to run the best sport the land can offer

 

why dont ya go down the path off the lamping /mooching lurcher??????

tbf mate he said daytime mooching in small fields.

 

I don't think he means what you think he means.

[canaliculata 28]

Whip x grey, sorry for any confusion... all i do now days is go out in the day with a flask of tea ,a few sandwiches and my rusksack, bushing and mooching for rabbits . The couple of terriers i have do the bushing, the lurcher assists, but basically does the chasing and a little catching. My lurcher is a bit long in the tooth now at nearly 10, but she's still going to come out with me along as she's able to. She's a collie/grey first cross. Fairly quick and rubust, but gets easily distracted when theres not much happening. My next dog needs to, ideally, work its nose well, be quick over a short course, and strike sooner rather than later and ideally turn well. If the ban was lifted i would also like to add to this wish list the ability to catch the odd rare hare.

 

With regards to speaking to local lads, its a good idea, but there all into heavily muscled lurchers.

 

Hope this helps.

Edited December 30, 2011 by canaliculata

[Acuspell 329]

Caniculata, what you want to be on the lookout for is a type of lurcher, rather than an actual breeding. If you are after a fast off the mark dog for small fields, then 24" is huge. I would prefer something more in the 21" - 22" range.

 

The whippet stamp would be ideal as the longdog influence. I would like a dash of collie in there somewhere, preferably on the dams line. Bedlington will provide a good coat for warding off thorns and providing the instinct to work cover, really work cover, in tight situations. I know you have the terriers to do that, but if a rabbit dives in a hedge this type of lurcher will go in afer it and often the rabbit doesn't go to ground having made the security of the hedge. You can pick up a significant number of extra rabbits in this way, ones you might otherwise have lost. One facet you do want is a good nose and the biddable nature to allow training - I would steer well clear of anything with Saluki fo rthis kind of work. Saluki adds stamina and they are fleet of foot, but they are not bred to work things out in tight spots. They are dogs of the open country where long strides and endurance are the requirements. Finding and catching a rabbit or pheasant in a copse or bramble patch is a far cry from running gazelle across the plains.

 

People also forget that the sire tends to have more influence than the dam. AS AN EXAMPLE to give you an idea of what I mean by this:

If we work with a1st cross (because the maths are easier to understand - and genetics are maths based) collie greyhound. A true collie x greyhound is a collie bitch and a greyhound dog. The vast majority of so called collie/greyhounds I have come in contact with over the last 35 years have actually been greyhound collies. This is because you can get an in season greyhound bitch very easily, they cannot be raced or coursed (in the old days). You then get the local farmer to let you use his collie dog for £20. Hey preto, you have a 1st lurcher. The resulting offspring from these two crosses will actually be very different:-

 

The greyhound bitch mated to the collie dog will produce a 50/50 mix, but the offspring will show more collie tendencies than greyhound ones, because of the greater influence of the sire.

The collie bitch mated to the greyhound dog will have a racier line, the easy way to describe it (and it is only to give an idea of what I mean by the sire influence) is if we consider the greyhound bitch produces collie x greyhounds of 50/50 mix. The collie bitch mated to the greyhound dog will produce a mix of 60/40 greyhound x collie and the pups will turn out more like a 5/8 collie greyhound. This is th eTRUE collie x greyhound. I have seen very few of them in my lifetime - because having access to a good collie bitch is much more difficult than finding a brood greyhound.

 

I would say your ideal dog would have whippet, collie and bedlington. This mix produces dogs, depending on the amount of each ingredient, that will work any quarry, be very trainable and very fast to learn and have an intelligence that allows them to problem solve on the fly. They have very acute noses, a good thick skin that doesn't tear as soon as they look at a thorn or barbed wire (Salukis are reknowned for having very soft skin) and good, neat feet that will deal with stones or flints. Finding a good line of this type of lurcher is not as easy to come by as you would think by the adverts that abound for them, beware, there are plenty of litters out there that are not what the breeder says they are. There are some very respectable breeders too, Phil Haynes is one who used to breed a fine line of this type of lurcher (Poachers Pocket lurchers he called them). Derek Croucher from near Honiton used to aswell, 30 years and more ago, when they weren't "fashionable" as people try to get back to the old times. They were just the all round lurcher that people down that way used.

This type will adapt to the day: bushing finding its own game and catching it (pheasants, partridge, ducks, rabbits, squirrels the odd hare because they are not long distance runners, foxes from some lines, and smaller deer single handed. You can shoot over them, use them as a stalking dog for both winding and tracking. They will face water happily too. The problem is, there aren't many true ones about. Really do some homework on the good ones and bide your time. This is one instance when the old saying: "Buy in haste and repent at liesure" really is true.

 

What you must understand though is this, you want a rabbitting dog for small, tight corners, yet you also want it for hares - on open ground? You can't have it both ways. The type of dog I described will catch ODD hares, but it wouldn't be a first choice for hares in open country because they don't have the stride length or stamina that the bigger, hare bred dogs have. Then again, the long striding hare dogs are not as nimble in the tight stuff, like gorse banks and bramble patches. YOU have to decide which is more important to you.