Dogs only!

[The Duncan 802]

near enough eny one can pull up and shoot a fox out of a jeep window witch lots of people do round my way. its shit if you ask me. dogs all the way atb fm

 

Actually, i've met a lot of people who couldn't shoot a rifle accurately if their life depended on it. You can't legally send a dog after a fox (which is mad if you ask me, when its perfectly ok to send a dog after a bunny), so firearms and traps surely are the only options.

 

I'm looking forward to using my lurcher as an all-rounder: hunting rabbits, lamping, retrieving shot pigeon, squirrel,ducks etc and I have a feeling I'll be shooting less as I work my dog more and more. But I will always keep my air rifle and firearms as I've not found a breed of dog that can fly or climb trees

Truly, I am a running dog convert after all these years of owning different breeds and I certainly wont be getting any more pot-lickers.

I love seeing a dog work and enjoying itself and I reckon the happiest dogs are working dogs.

So as I said in the OP, I solidly support all field sports and think we should keep and nurture our solidarity to protect our future rights.

[yeeharr 41]

for a start i have shot guns as well as dogs. i use dogs to flush to guns sometimes when needed. killing range of 30 - 40 yds depending on type of quarry or birds etc. i have no issues with rifle men who need to do a job. as long as the job is done and client is happy. fair enough. i do have issues with people coming on bragging how many foxes they shot with a rifle this season. and how they call it sport is beyond me , i call sport a percentage of chance the quarry has of getting away and shooting game with rifles at night using night vision etc etc , shooting at far distances doesnt come to me as giving your quarry a sporting chance. dont get me wrong needs must in certain circumstances and there shouldnt be no suffering with the technology in the rifle world this modern day. i believe in conservation what gets away from the dogs will fight another day but what gets away from rifles? i dont want to argue on here this is just my believe. because the wrong people get hold of rifles and because its the lazy and easiest way of killing a wild animal they get trigger happy, not shooting to conserve nature but to exstinct there chosen coney. its an easy way of killing animals and can be destructive to a devastating exstent in areas of permission. i think after a while the riflemen get so board of hiding behind scopes and a trigger the next thing for them to get there kick is the numbers they get. and that they get greedy shooting unnecessary just to add to there tally instead of shooting to control numbers. when customers want jobs done you show them what you get but only a fool would wipe out there future. and i think with rifles its very easy to wipe out areas rather than controlling them. pre ban hunting with your local pack you know the areas that the rifle boys do as parts of country dont hold much, at least hunting with dogs the strong healthy quarry most often live . when looking through a scope at night you cant defy healthy coney at distances. look at the state the ban has left us in . if rifles were used moderately i wouldnt have a problem but sadly there not. i wish all hunters a good second half of the season especially the ones who get as much pleasure seeing there vermin escape

 

This is what you originally posted, FACT!!

 

You could right copy for LACS with that nonsense. At the very best you've not shot rifles. I agree with some of what you're saying bit the majority is invented sh1t!

point out the bit you dont like , i can spell this out for you DOGS GIVE A SPORTING CHANCE , RIFLES HAVE TRIGGER HAPPY , LAZY , FAT PEOPLE BEHIND THEM AND GIVE THERE TARGET NO CHANCE OF ESCAPE AND THEN COME ON HERE AND BRAG THAT THEY HAVE SHOT THE BIG NUMBER GAME

 

I don't like the fact that you're an expert on fox shooting, how easy it is and what goes on when you've never done it. I doubt you've even shot a rifle. I've shot foxes and I've run them with dogs. I know how hard both can be, I was also born and raised in South London so know how easy both can be. Urban foxes ain't bothered about people or dogs. You want to stand on your own against the antis, then you carry on dopey. Why don't you throw them the shooters and stand back while they ban all pest control with guns? I'm sure that if you do that then they'll leave us to carry on working dogs.

[the fezz 44]

since the age of 5 ive shoot , run lurchers , ferreted , dug to terreirs , why , because i love feild sports , lives to short

 

atb Fezz

[The Duncan 802]

Guns are for failed dog men hahahahaha

...and dogs are for those who aren't able to get firearms...seriously! Give it a rest!

For me rifles came first, so my first field sport passion was rifle based. I've never had a hunting dog til recently so am certainly no 'failed dogman'.

I'm a successful rifleman and shotgunner who has expanded his horizons and embraced new ways of hunting; maybe some of the doggy naysayers should open their minds and see if they're any good at rifle shooting?

[yeeharr 41]

Labspastic you aint done much foxing with lurchers have you if so you'd know how difficult the liitle critters can be, any muppet can shoot a fox from a window of the side of the road with a fox sitting at one end of the field or even one or two fields away, thing is you can shoot an educated fox but you ain't going to get him with a dog unless bushing in which they still have a chance of getting away with no guns! Sooner they ban rifles aswell the better or even better still! stop handing so many out to any old fool. Not every fox is a pest end of the day and I think they atleast deserve a little respect to get away imo

 

Another expert who ain't done any shooting!! Do you think an educated fox sits still in the lamp when you've got a rifle? An educated fox bolts at a squeak or a light regardless of who's shinning it! What a mug!

 

And you want rifles banned as well, you truly are a prize prick! I've had enough guns and quarry I can work a dog to banned, I don't need any more stuff taken away, think on want you post.

[jeppi26 1,855]

Guns are for failed dog men hahahahaha

...and dogs are for those who aren't able to get firearms...seriously! Give it a rest!

For me rifles came first, so my first field sport passion was rifle based. I've never had a hunting dog til recently so am certainly no 'failed dogman'.

I'm a successful rifleman and shotgunner who has expanded his horizons and embraced new ways of hunting; maybe some of the doggy naysayers should open their minds and see if they're any good at rifle shooting?

You see all the hahahaha at the end???? It means I was having a laugh you mardy get and I havnt tried for my firearms as I enjoy my lurcher work too much the original way of life using a running dog and I am capable of shooting a firearms as I hav shot them and after shooting a fox/hare I went and picked up the animal and thought that's not fun but that's me my opinion

[The Duncan 802]

ah, humour, now I understand

As I said, I reckon I'll be using the guns less and the dog more as time goes on

 

As long as I'm hunting with gun or dog or both, I'm happy and that's my opinion

[jeppi26 1,855]

Guns are for failed dog men hahahahaha

...and dogs are for those who aren't able to get firearms...seriously! Give it a rest!

For me rifles came first, so my first field sport passion was rifle based. I've never had a hunting dog til recently so am certainly no 'failed dogman'.

I'm a successful rifleman and shotgunner who has expanded his horizons and embraced new ways of hunting; maybe some of the doggy naysayers should open their minds and see if they're any good at rifle shooting?

And with out been big headed I am pretty good at shooting as it has it :-D

[bunnys 1,228]

I think the poacher man hits the nail on the head ,divisions between the 2,the anomosity sometimes arouse from said shooters starting tpo begin god land his theryn. have seen the changes that can divide said types of same persuasions ,seen x lurchermen turn to the gun these are usually those who never could get nothing but mediocre ,if thee gives em the best .only to turn tail and have double standards . times can change for some and one can become the minority and looked down up on . therehis no doubt genuine folk in the shooting fraternity that i have no doubt but even so thad have to a good un to be able to choose the strong from the week in the long ear , deer staking his done with experte knowledge of hunted shooting from a cab at night his just to me wantone slaugter ha s far has the long ear his concerned . to go out and drop afew for the pot his different again dropping rabbs in numbers could and his classed in the same light . shooting the long ear and als the red fella well thats omething else just my thoughts . no doubt the fella down the road from me may think diferently but then he was never much cop with the best canine types on god earth .atb bunnys.

[The Duncan 802]

Having read a few posts now that refer to shooting quarry from a 4x4 with a rifle; I can understand where they are coming form to an extent.

With the exception of shooting the odd corvid from my mates Shoguns with a .17 HMR, I've only ever stalked bunnies etc with rifles on foot and engaged the quarry's land personally. I reckon I walk the land in a hunting session (carrying a 9lb rifle and kit) easily as much as the average dogman

Sporting? Rifle hunting is a raging certainty and not sporting? I don't think so. Try stalking a rabbit with an air rifle! Your quarry has acute hearing able to detect you from 100's of yards away, olfactory abilities that could find you almost 1000 yards away and if you got within 100 yards the vibration of a misplaced footstep would instantly alert them to your presence. Then there's marksmanship, windage, range estimation, trigger technique, breathing, recoil handling etc etc...and your effective range (for most people)is 35 yards.

Life is easier for the rifleman with a solid rest to lean on, but without this, in the field, the hunt is more 'sporting' than a lot can imagine.

 

Horses for courses though, and I'm looking forward to putting my dog thru her paces and getting her hunting, poointing and retrieving immensely.

I'll probably always have a hunting dog or two and always have firearms for definite as with both in the armoury, IMHO you are covered for every eventuality and permissions needs.

[blan89 159]

I just see it as a shame and a waste to shoot anything that can be taken with a dog.

 

there's no selection,the strong die as often as the weak.

[widowmaker 13]

had running dogs and terriers for over 20 years and seen all breeds run you can give a rifle to a child and they will wipe a place out1 where i live there used to be loads of hares and the gun has wiped them out! it takes skill to work a dog so give the shooters a chance they aint got alot of sence lol

Edited December 29, 2011 by widowmaker

[The Duncan 802]

had running dogs and terriers for over 20 years and seen all breeds run you can give a rifle to a child and they will wipe a place out1 where i live there used to be loads of hares and the gun has wiped them out! it takes skill to work a dog so give the shooters a chance they aint got alot of sence lol

Happily, I believe there is room for both.

To be fair though, I feel that all riflemen need to avoid greed when it comes to taking quarry and moderation should be a key word for all hunters.

The exception of course is where the landowner insists on 'fast pest control'. Then all tactics need to be employed to make sure you keep your permission. If you won't, then somebody else will.

[The Duncan 802]

... you can give a rifle to a child and they will wipe a place out...

 

And you give some adults a rifle and they couldn't hit a barn door with it

[whippet 99 2,613]

... you can give a rifle to a child and they will wipe a place out...

 

And you give some adults a rifle and they couldn't hit a barn door with it

 

you dont get what were saying , as for me shooting rifles pal , i was chose to shoot for my county at bisley when i was younger in the army so dont preach your rubbish to me . i have air rifles as well as shot guns and believe me in the summer i take my boys out knocking the bunnies over . the fact is i exspect ive probably shot more than you! ( coming on here giving it this and that). trying to tell us that its not easy to shoot vermin with rifles are you for real., what do you think your the only one who has done anything, the point i was making is that some people who go out with rifles get too trigger happy and dont think and wipe out a good area of game . not tarring all the rifle people with the same brush as there will be people doing it sensibly controlling numbers as quite often there will be the ones shooting any thing what moves. especially now i know areas local to me where deer are getting hammered just for pound signs and not for control