Collie lurchers

[shaun v 3]

trying to find an old video of her , but when you lend things out you lose track of things

[Guest LEARNER]

SHAUN V, i only wished , i could have took her on vidio, doing what she could do, it would be end of argument, even so i am lucky that there are a few people who had seen her in the field, all true lurcher working men, and even now , if we have a chat, when we meet up ,mindys name always comes to the fore, her father was a brillent dog has well ,lived to 19, took everything in his time, what i did notice was, how ultra soft mouth , this breeding was ,yet the father would demolish foxes in seconds, yet always held roe ,by the back kneck, not a mark on them, thats always be a puzzle to me, i also had one lurcher saluki greyhound collie greyhound, bought at chatsworth fair, the old fellow who had the pups ,also had pictures of the game the parents took, this dog i have one or two photo,s off , to be honest at 7years old,i burnt him out lamping, and i mean lamping, it was my fault, he would work all day ,then i would be out lamping all night if i could, now and then ,i would go and have a lamping outing ,with fellow poachers, you know the score ,bit of fun really ,but deep down ,your testing your dog against thiers, and visa, versa, he never got bettered, and i noticed ,has the years went by ,more and more lads ,were getting lurchers, with that bit of saluki blood in them, its funny in a way ,but i,ve noticed in my life time , that where game is scarce, and in any quantitys, say on the estates, the locals ,would quickly catch on to any breed proving its self, and so better thier chances, yet where game is numerous ,like parts off scotland where i live ,they still stuck to the same dogs, i have said this before on the site ,i,ve known lads bring dogs down from the north ,catching the lot ,yet when been working a few months where i live ,they are soon noticed by thier absence ,yet i,ve took dogs up north ,that i would not say are useless ,but perhaps , medium off the range workers ,and every guy who,s had one off me ,always say , can you get me another,. food for thought.

[J Darcy 5,871]

I am not sure how you guys go about entering dogs and i am not preeching, but i wouldnt enter a lurcher to fox or hare until they are physicaly and mentaly ready, 18 months is the earliest i would consider it.........and that would be based on how the pup has matured.

 

With fox, like stabs said, its all in the mind.......most straight collie/grey are big enough, if its got even more greyhound in it (EG 3/4), chances are the lurcher will be bigger still so size is not the issue.

 

On the topic of Saluki blood in collie/grey........Why?   You run a big enough gamble with two blood lines as to how the lurcher type will throw without increasing the variance in the litters.

 

I can see the use of saluki/grey for coursing......but they are slip and run dogs.  Surely the collie blood offers sufficient stamina......with brains, trainability, feet and coat as a bonus.????

 

Ive got a 1/4 collie/3/4 grey and think there is too little collie in it for my liking.......(and it is only my liking).......by putting a saluki grey, to a collie grey, the best you end up with is 25% collie, 25% saluki, 50% grey......the lurcher will be a very racy dog but in my opinion wont have sufficent attributes from either collie blood or saluki.....

 

I might be rambling here.........and I appreciate that there are some good dogs out there of collie saluki grey bloodlines..........i just need convincing why saluki blood to a rabbiting lurcher

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hi rob, i have seen some good saluki greyhounds and some of these would put your average gun dog to shame.....i know some that rarely go on the lead, all rabbits live to hand, kill foxes, pull down -90% of all the deer they run, mark holes and even retreive shot waterfowl out of water.......if you get the right one.....then little will beat it..., obviously, the key word there is "IF".....some good sal/greys will not only feed a family...they could keep your average butcher in meat...so im told anyway....good hunting....JD

[Guest boney the dog]

I am not sure how you guys go about entering dogs and i am not preeching, but i wouldnt enter a lurcher to fox or hare until they are physicaly and mentaly ready, 18 months is the earliest i would consider it.........and that would be based on how the pup has matured.

 

With fox, like stabs said, its all in the mind.......most straight collie/grey are big enough, if its got even more greyhound in it (EG 3/4), chances are the lurcher will be bigger still so size is not the issue.

 

On the topic of Saluki blood in collie/grey........Why?    You run a big enough gamble with two blood lines as to how the lurcher type will throw without increasing the variance in the litters.

 

I can see the use of saluki/grey for coursing......but they are slip and run dogs.  Surely the collie blood offers sufficient stamina......with brains, trainability, feet and coat as a bonus.????

 

Ive got a 1/4 collie/3/4 grey and think there is too little collie in it for my liking.......(and it is only my liking).......by putting a saluki grey, to a collie grey, the best you end up with is 25% collie, 25% saluki, 50% grey......the lurcher will be a very racy dog but in my opinion wont have sufficent attributes from either collie blood or saluki.....

 

I might be rambling here.........and I appreciate that there are some good dogs out there of collie saluki grey bloodlines..........i just need convincing why saluki blood to a rabbiting lurcher

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hi rob, i have seen some good saluki greyhounds and some of these would put your average gun dog to shame.....i know some that rarely go on the lead, all rabbits live to hand, kill foxes, pull down -90% of all the deer they run, mark holes and even retreive shot waterfowl out of water.......if you get the right one.....then little will beat it..., obviously, the key word there is "IF".....some good sal/greys will not only feed a family...they could keep your average butcher in meat...so im told anyway....good hunting....JD

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[Guest boney the dog]

I am not sure how you guys go about entering dogs and i am not preeching, but i wouldnt enter a lurcher to fox or hare until they are physicaly and mentaly ready, 18 months is the earliest i would consider it.........and that would be based on how the pup has matured.

 

With fox, like stabs said, its all in the mind.......most straight collie/grey are big enough, if its got even more greyhound in it (EG 3/4), chances are the lurcher will be bigger still so size is not the issue.

 

On the topic of Saluki blood in collie/grey........Why?    You run a big enough gamble with two blood lines as to how the lurcher type will throw without increasing the variance in the litters.

 

I can see the use of saluki/grey for coursing......but they are slip and run dogs.  Surely the collie blood offers sufficient stamina......with brains, trainability, feet and coat as a bonus.????

 

Ive got a 1/4 collie/3/4 grey and think there is too little collie in it for my liking.......(and it is only my liking).......by putting a saluki grey, to a collie grey, the best you end up with is 25% collie, 25% saluki, 50% grey......the lurcher will be a very racy dog but in my opinion wont have sufficent attributes from either collie blood or saluki.....

 

I might be rambling here.........and I appreciate that there are some good dogs out there of collie saluki grey bloodlines..........i just need convincing why saluki blood to a rabbiting lurcher

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hi rob, i have seen some good saluki greyhounds and some of these would put your average gun dog to shame.....i know some that rarely go on the lead, all rabbits live to hand, kill foxes, pull down -90% of all the deer they run, mark holes and even retreive shot waterfowl out of water.......if you get the right one.....then little will beat it..., obviously, the key word there is "IF".....some good sal/greys will not only feed a family...they could keep your average butcher in meat...so im told anyway....good hunting....JD

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[Guest CharlieC]

Have to agree with J Darcy there, I was labouring under a misconception about salukis being untrainable schizos until I saw his dogs work, admittedly his dogs tend to be 3/4 greyhound 1/4 salukis but I was still impressed and It takes quite a lot to impress me when it comes to dogs :11: :11: Us women are hard b*****ds to please :11: :11:

 

Since seeing his dogs work (in a variety of situations requiring many skills from speed and stamina to obedience and complete steadiness) I am now of the opinion that a saluki cross is like any other lurcher, you only get out what you put in.

 

Good hunting

[Nipper 0]

All this entering at six months on coyote and pig has to be tempered with a bit of realism though lads. They are not entered on their own, they are along for the experience and to see the sights, sounds and smells of their job when they are older. If they have a nibble while they are there, all well and good, but there are other dogs there to make sure that the young un's don't get knocked up by the quarry.

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Good observation. In other words they are learning to hunt as they would in the wild.

 

The arabs did it the other night with their salukis on the National Geographic.

[doxhope 2]

DIDNT KNOW THE ARABS HAD COLLIE CROSSES, OOPS SORRY, THOUGH FOR ONE MINUTE THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT COLLIES

[Guest LEARNER]

it is about collie crosses, the point was , that saluki blood , can help in these crosses, if its gone off track, then just discount it.

[Guest robw]

i appreciate the views of those whove had/seen saluki crosses. And i agree ,you get what you put into your dogs.....and true, you need the right blood in the dog - same goes for collie blood.

 

But im a stickler for collie types, i like the shape, size and mannerisms...and doubt i will ever change!!! Ive had a collie grey do everything ive ever required out of a working lurcher - which may not be as much as some expect. But at the end of the day....they make rabbit catching easy, know when enough is enough and still have a few tricks up their sleeve for when they grow old

[Guest LEARNER]

ROBW,if your happy with your dogs, thats all what matters, i think some examples was given out, that may be off benifit to the collie cross, there are more ,i,ve seen very good collie crosses with deerhound blood in them , there was 1 a few years back ,that was bred collie greyhound ,to a bull greyhound, the lad who owned it ,was more into drugs than lurcher work, he nearly sold this bitch for 10 pound, when 4 off us were staying at avimore in scotland, just to go on the town ,for a drug binge, i persuaded him not to, the next morning on a place called the sloch, it put a very good deerhound cross lurcher ,and collie cross lurcher to shame ,on the blue hares, in fact it thrashed them, the lad who offered him the tenner ,boosted it to 200, awe no he was,nt having that , that night we took the lad and his dog ,on its first lamping juant, this i have on vidio, looking back ,you could see what a prat this guy was ,but one thing stuck in my mind, this bitch was only 11months, yet it never missed a bunnie ,and retrieved perfect live to hand, a couple of seasons later ,i heard he had passed the dog on , so he could carry the drug game on, as i see it, the greyhound plays the part in the collie cross ,thats taken as granted , but over the years i,ve seen ,lads taking up , an extra breed in thier collie crosses, and most like many others ,have said they are more than pleased with the results, its like you have said ,if your happy ,then keep it that path, if it fits ,why change it.

[dingo dancer 6]

lamper, i was talking to a lad i know today he bred a litter of pups about 14 months ago.the sire to the pups was brian ellis's fly to ratchers raven, the dam to the pups is drum x mouse.he kept a pup back for himself which is about 25 inch

a quite strong made dog, looks abit like breezes purdey.the lad is happy with this pup apart from one thing.... its a bit timid.

do you think this is the way its bred or the way its been brought up?

i wonder !!

[Guest LEARNER]

If it was a timid pup from the start ,thats its life time affliction, if timid as time goes on ,then there can be loads of reasons.

[dingo dancer 6]

it was not timid as a pup ,infact it was the first to do everything it just seems to have got worse as it as got older

[J Darcy 5,871]

some of my dog have been like that...they started off great and full of confidence but once they hit the 6 month mark seemed to go a bit flighty