Collie lurchers

[Guest LEARNER]

ROBW, you,ve never owned one, when you do ,you will find out why.

[Guest chilli]

nothing wrong with " point an slip dogs " ive one hopefully two here !! point an slip yep an pretty much anything else no one has told them thats all they are supposed to do ive tried but they dont listen

[Guest LEARNER]

SALUKI X GREYHOUND X COLLIE GREYHOUND, OR BREEDING ON SIMULER LINES , ARE NOT POINT OR SLIP DOGS, THE COLLIE BLOOD TAKES CARE OF THAT, ONE OF THE MOST DEVASTATING LURCHERS ,IVE EVER SEEN, WAS A SALUKI X COLLIE FIRST CROSS, IT WAS AS CLEVER THAN ANY COLLIE CROSS I,VE SEEN , BUT WOULD RUN THEM INTO THE GROUND ,WHEN THE STAMINA CAME INTO PLAY, THIS DOG TURNED ITS PREY , HAS GOOD AS ANY SALUKI X GREYHOUND , I,VE SEEN ,I,VE KNOWN THIS DOG MORE THAN ONCE RUN HARES TO A DEAD STOP, NOT THROUGH IT NOT HAVING THE MOUTH, TO PICK UP, IT WAS DEADLY ONCE ON TERMS, IT WAS THE ROUGH GROUND WITH THE THICK HEDGES, AND THE TIGHT WOODLANDS TOGETHER ,THAT GAVE A HARE ,THAT FLICKER OF HOPE ,ONCE THIS DOG WAS UNSIGHT, IT USED THE COLLIE KNOSE TO HUNT UP, IT WAS LIKE WATCHING MURDER, HAS FOR LAMPING , YOU COULD NOT TIRE THIS DOG OUT, IF THE RABBITS WAS THERE TO CATCH ,THEY GOT CAUGHT, THE LAD NEVER USED IT FOR FERRETING ,I WISHED HE HAD DONE , THERE WAS NO COLLIE GREYHOUND ,THAT I,VE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME ,THAT COULD MATCH THIS DOG ,FOR STAMINA, THE BEST LURCHER I,VE HAD THE PLEASURE TO OWN ,WAS BRED COLLIE GREYHOUND ,SALUKI X GREYHOUND BULL, ON THE LOCAL PARK ,ONE DAY 4 OF US WAS HAVING A CHAT ,MINDY MY BITCH , THOE WELL KNOWN FOR BEING ,A BITCH THAT LIKED TO KEEP ,TO HER SELF, STARTED TO RUN AROUND THE PARK, THIS BITCH NEVER TIRED, MY MATE SAID COULD HE LET IS DOG GO FOR A RUN WITH HER, I SAID IF IT CAN CATCH HER YES, IT END UP ,WITH ALL MY MATES DOGS IN TURN , FXCKED OUT ON THE GRASS ,SHE WAS STILL RUNNING , TWO OF THE DOGS ,WERE COLLIE CROSSES, I DO NOT TELL LIES, AND I HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE IN MY SELF ,TO DO SO, LIKE I,VE SAID BEFORE THIS WAS THE BEST DOG ,I,VE OWNED, BUT SHE DIED OFF A VIRUS IN THE BRAIN, AT 3 YEARS, I KNOW THIS AS GONE OFF THE PATH A BIT ,REGARDING COLLIE XGREYHOUNDS, BUT THIER IS ALTERNATIVE BLOOD ,THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THE COLLIE GREYHOUND ,THAT MAY GIVE THE ODD SURPRISE, BUT THEN AGAIN ,I,VE WORKED DOGS FOR 50 YRS, DONE MOST OF THE BRITISH ISLE,S , WORKED WITH MY DOGS AGAINST WELL KNOW LADS, SEEN GOOD UNS SEEN BAD UNS, WHEN I HAVE NOT SEEN IT ,I KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT , IF I WITNESS IT ,THEN I,VE LEARNT

[Guest boney the dog]

SALUKI X GREYHOUND X COLLIE GREYHOUND, OR BREEDING ON SIMULER LINES , ARE NOT POINT OR SLIP DOGS, THE COLLIE BLOOD TAKES CARE OF THAT, ONE OF THE MOST DEVASTATING LURCHERS ,IVE EVER SEEN, WAS A SALUKI X COLLIE FIRST CROSS, IT WAS AS CLEVER THAN ANY COLLIE CROSS I,VE SEEN , BUT WOULD RUN THEM INTO THE GROUND ,WHEN THE STAMINA CAME INTO PLAY, THIS DOG TURNED ITS PREY , HAS GOOD AS ANY SALUKI X GREYHOUND , I,VE SEEN ,I,VE KNOWN THIS DOG MORE THAN ONCE RUN HARES TO A DEAD STOP, NOT THROUGH IT NOT HAVING THE MOUTH, TO PICK UP, IT WAS DEADLY ONCE ON TERMS, IT WAS THE ROUGH GROUND WITH THE THICK HEDGES, AND THE TIGHT WOODLANDS TOGETHER ,THAT GAVE A HARE ,THAT FLICKER OF HOPE ,ONCE THIS DOG WAS UNSIGHT, IT USED THE COLLIE KNOSE TO HUNT UP, IT WAS LIKE WATCHING MURDER, HAS FOR LAMPING , YOU COULD NOT TIRE THIS DOG OUT, IF THE RABBITS WAS THERE TO CATCH ,THEY GOT CAUGHT, THE LAD NEVER USED IT FOR FERRETING ,I WISHED HE HAD DONE , THERE WAS NO COLLIE GREYHOUND ,THAT I,VE SEEN IN MY LIFE TIME ,THAT COULD MATCH THIS DOG ,FOR STAMINA, THE BEST LURCHER I,VE HAD THE PLEASURE TO OWN ,WAS BRED COLLIE GREYHOUND ,SALUKI X GREYHOUND BULL, ON THE LOCAL PARK ,ONE DAY 4 OF US WAS HAVING A CHAT ,MINDY MY BITCH , THOE WELL KNOWN FOR BEING ,A BITCH THAT LIKED TO KEEP ,TO HER SELF, STARTED TO RUN AROUND THE PARK, THIS BITCH NEVER TIRED, MY MATE SAID COULD HE LET IS DOG GO FOR A RUN WITH HER, I SAID IF IT CAN CATCH HER YES, IT END UP ,WITH ALL MY MATES DOGS IN TURN , FXCKED OUT ON THE GRASS ,SHE WAS STILL RUNNING , TWO OF THE DOGS ,WERE COLLIE CROSSES, I DO NOT TELL LIES, AND I HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE IN MY SELF ,TO DO SO, LIKE I,VE SAID BEFORE THIS WAS THE BEST DOG ,I,VE OWNED, BUT SHE DIED OFF A VIRUS IN THE BRAIN, AT 3 YEARS, I KNOW THIS AS GONE OFF THE PATH A BIT ,REGARDING COLLIE XGREYHOUNDS, BUT THIER IS ALTERNATIVE BLOOD ,THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THE COLLIE GREYHOUND ,THAT MAY GIVE THE ODD SURPRISE, BUT THEN AGAIN ,I,VE WORKED DOGS FOR 50 YRS, DONE MOST OF THE BRITISH ISLE,S , WORKED WITH MY DOGS AGAINST WELL KNOW LADS, SEEN GOOD UNS SEEN BAD UNS, WHEN I HAVE NOT SEEN IT ,I KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT , IF I WITNESS IT ,THEN I,VE LEARNT

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Maybe so there learner but i have had saluki crosses before withouyt the collie in them and never again .nice looking dogs though!

There is a lot of potential crosses out there its just whats poular at the moment and whats on offer ,a sighthound needs something else to make it a lurcher what is the best option?

Maybe its not the collie but what possibly the alsatian or!

[Guest Doug]

Six months old seems awful young Kye, but I understand it's the same in Oz.

 

How long do the dogs last? Do they get a lot that don't make it?

 

Think I'll carry on being a wuss and letting my dogs grow up first.

[Kye 77]

lol..i know what you mean Doug...it scares me to think of dogs that young taking such heavy quarry!..

The sighthound scene here seems to be very different from back home...trading and swaping dogs is very common, and not realy frowned upon...needless to say, im sure there are plenty of dogs going around that should be culled!...lucky for me i seem to have fallen in with the right people, and any dogs that need culling, well they get culled!..lol.

This coming fall will be my first PROPER season with the Running dogs here in the States, so i will be able to let you know later in the year...

It seems to me that there 'aint many dogs that dont make the grade...but its just like back home...some peole are quite happy to have a dog that will just trip a Yote over and put its mouth around it...but it can take four or five "Arse munchers" to kill a yote...then you have the guys that own dogs that can kill yote doubled up and single handed...to me thats what a good coyote dog should be able to do...if my two can take a fully grown yote doubled up, i will be more than happy...if they can take them SINGLE handed (which is a VERY long shot!) i will be over the moon with them!!!

I know the Sire to my male pup has done them single handed, and the Dam to my bitch pup is a REAL killer of anything with fur, so i have the right blood going through there veins!...its just up to me NOT to bugger it all up!..lol.

Kye,..

[Guest robw]

Kye..........ive read a few articles about the way they do it in the states, its sounds good!! But 6 months.....???The dog is not fully grown or developed and all i can see happening is lung, joint growth damage........its not the size of the quarry..........more the strain the dogs goes through to get there.........heres some pics of one of mine at 6 months.........and then at 14 months.........just about old enough for bringing on.........theres a big difference in shape and form for just a few extra months patients!!!.........

 

 

 

 

LEARNER......like you say, ive not worked a dog with saluki in it......it was only an opinion of mine regarding what makes a good rabbiting lurcher..........and i couldnt see what the saluki blood would add to a rabbiting lurcher that the collie didnt give. Call me set in my ways but i am not one for mixing too much blood......its just me......and ive seen some good dogs come from mixed lurcher x lurcher litters. Out of interest what size was the collie/saluki cross? and have you got any pics?

[Kye 77]

I totaly agree RobW...but who am i to tell these lads how to do things?!...they have been doing that early entering since for ever, and im sure they wouldnt do it if it didnt work!...imo, the dogs are FAR tougher out here..i dont mean gamer or anything, they just seem to not be affected buy the cold/heat and rough terrain...if they where, they wouldnt survive, so they couldnt be bred from!..

My dogs live in temps that range from -120F...i can be in the desert Saturday, then be on a Mountain side in Arizona 8.000 feet higher than i am here, and be in two feet of snow...and yet it dosnt bother the dogs at all?!?!?...that to me is tough...i know i suffer!..lol.

It realy is TOTALY different to the UK over here...

The pig hunting lads are the same in Oz...they have pups lugging pigs as young as four months!...and some ofthem guys say a good dog should be getting into pigs offten buy the time its 10-12 months old!...yet they succed, and probably have the best "Pork Catching" dogs on the planet!...

You know what they say..."When in Rome, do as the Romans do!"...

Kye,..

[Kane 2]

All the best dogs I have seen or been lucky enough to own have entered early and naturaly.

I have no experiance of the saluki/collie/grey type I can imagine they would be good on hare and rabbit but what are/were they like on fox and deer?

[Guest LEARNER]

boney, i,m not on about saluki greyhounds, i,m on about saluki blooded collie crosses, even saluki blooded anycross with a bit off savvy, i,ve just had my collie cross greyhound stolen, i,m sick as a pig, he great for what i wanted him for, i,ve owned 3/4 greyhound collies, which i think have a bit more scope than the 1/2 cross, and some off the best lurchers i,ve seen ,have been collie x greyhounds , but the best lurchers, i have had the pleasure to witness work, had a degree of saluki blood in them, i myself cannot explain ,why they seemed a notch higher, but a notch higher they are , what i have noticed in these crosses, is once on terms with thier prey, they seem to have that uncanny mesmerizing affect, of making thier quarry run to thier terms, a bit like a good saluki cross on the fens ,or perhaps more like a stoat with a rabbit, i,ve honestly seen hares screaming before these type of dogs have caught up to them ,i,ve never seen this happen ,with collie greyhounds ,what i have seen , is collie greyhound crosses working hard to catch a good brown hare ,catch they have ,but often having to work a bit ,the same collie cross with that touch of saluki blood ,as often made it look so easy ,that you some times wonder ,if the hare is as good as its made out to be , but then you are soon brought down to earth ,when you run a again with a traditional collie cross, this i,ve found out , to often ,to not realise ,there might be some thing , in the saluki blooded working lurcher that might be worth, keeping with, now these same traints are passed on ,when lamping or ferreting, or even walkabouts, i,ve seen it to often ,to know there is some thing uncanny happening ,when you perhaps ,add the dog with the greatest stamina in the world, to a dog with perhaps the finest intelligence , thier,s some potent cocktails ,have come out of this breeding ,i can tell you, like i will add again ,thiers a lad running a saluki greyhound collie greyhound , at this moment, and he says to me ,its the best lurcher by far he,s ever had, now i will believe him , has we spent about twenty years together working dogs ,and have had a few poaching convictions together, and this lad will not in anyway ,endorse any lurcher ,thats not , to his mind a top notcher, and i will say now he,s had some bloody good dogs, and would never entertain ,any dog that could not forfil what he wants, and one its must be bidderble, he like me works them ,not plays at the game, there is no way i,m calling collie greyhounds, or 3/4 greyhound collies , i,ve owned good uns , and seen good uns ,that i would know it would be a injustist to do so, so if i had one choice off a lurcher ,ive owned , to take to heaven with me, it would be that 24 inch bitch ,that ran them three lurchers,into the ground that day, without breaking into a sweat ,that same bith who had gypsy john ,saying to me, i,ve seen it all now ,when she had knock 4 hares over ,one after the other, on ground where 1 out of 5 ,was a good dog ,that same bitch , who on 1 nights lamping had 37 rabbits, without giving so much off a puff, on ground well lamped ,i know because ,even the keeper lamps his lurcher, and my mate saying go for fifty , and i ,m saying lets make it a 100, but at the same time ,we knew it was time to make our selves scarce, would i have tried for the hundred ,fifty no problem, perhaps i loved this bitch to much ,to find out, everthing you wanted a lurcher to do ,she could do it, i lost midge, a few months back ,15 years old, she was 3,4 greyhound collie ,crossed with a good fen dog, some off the best well known lurcher men ,have seen midge work, and at shows ,still say she was one off the best, yes i cried and sobbed my heart out when i lost midge ,a 60 year old man , who seemed to have spent most of his life , fighting against bullshit, and always said f**k em all, when the chips where down, but as a 40 year old man ,i shed a lot more tears for mindy, when you went out with that bitch, it was not a ford cortina ,that ran the fields ,it was a rolls royce. stick to the collie greyhound crosses, and you will have the pleasure of working , very good dogs, each to his own. p.s i did have a album ,with a few photo,s in ,but i have mislaid it , j darcy needed to have a couple off photo,s ,there was not a lot of photo,s i admit, but i know there was one or 2 of mindy, to be truthfull ,in my day ,no one i knew ,would dare to take a camara .with them up the fields, anyway ,i cannot remember ,many who could afford one.

[Stabs 3]

All this entering at six months on coyote and pig has to be tempered with a bit of realism though lads. They are not entered on their own, they are along for the experience and to see the sights, sounds and smells of their job when they are older. If they have a nibble while they are there, all well and good, but there are other dogs there to make sure that the young un's don't get knocked up by the quarry.

[Kye 77]

Your totaly right Stabs, dont for one minute think these lads are wanting a pup to kill Yotes...like you said, there in for a look, and to maybe get a mouth full of fur...but non the less, they are being run on tough quarry!...but yes they are with "made" dogs...

Kane, the Saluki/Greys X Collie/Greys i seen working where mainly used for deer (pre ban) and they sure could tip them over well enough...the lads that had them werent realy into there foxs much, but i think there dogs had the odd one without any problems while having a walk out...

Kye,..

[Stabs 3]

[shaun v 3]

All the best dogs I have seen or been lucky enough to own have entered early and naturaly.

I have no experiance of the saluki/collie/grey type I can imagine they would be good on hare and rabbit but what are/were they like on fox and deer?

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a bitch i owned which was out of a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie to a pure saluki had 8 yrs leathering foxes and bigger game , she never flinched at them ,she was self entered she is about 12yrs now retired down at worcester and she is still knacking them .

she took her first hare aged 7 mths and several hundred followed over the years.

alls dogs mature mentally at different ages when it comes to finding the [bANNED TEXT] age to enter them and thats where some people mess up.

learner the only problem i had with her on the rabbits was she tryed to do everthing to fast, but she used to do exactly what you said having them scream well before she killed them and if they decided to go in cover they would be dead,

for the x in general if anyone wanted to take different types of game you wont go far wrong with this x if entered CORRECTLY.

[Guest Doug]

alls dogs mature mentally at different ages when it comes to finding the [bANNED TEXT] age to enter them and thats where some people mess up.

 

Spot-on there, mate.

 

Learner - I like a dash of saluki in mine - they really do mean it and I think that comes through to the quarry and freaks it, just as you say.

 

Kye looks like you got a helluva good season ahead.

 

 

RobW that dog is in superb condition - one (two!) pictures really are worth a lot of words.

 

 

Great thread.