Collie lurchers

[Guest boney the dog]

ave yous considered other crosses boney the dog i just wondered why a collie/greyhound.i ve had 3 collie/greyhounds 1 was good that was a 3/4 cross ,1 was a alf cross which was useless, 1 was a 3/8 beardie border 5/8 greyhound which was a great ferreter and busher but that was about it.as fur daytime hares none of these dogs were good enough on a regular basis, only 1 would take fox, none would touch a deer unless doubled up with a made dog. i ve bin around lurchers all my life and ave seen loads of collie crosses but ave only rated about 6 one of those was my 3/4 bred.good ones do exsist thats fur sure,but they do run cunnin and imo lack bottle when the goin gets tough. collie is in my dogs but not to much. thats just my opinon fur what its worth.

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oh yes loki but only reasonably intelligent retreiver types as i dont want a pure sighthound or a sighthoundx fighting dog ,not really a lot else on offer these pups have fell collie in em a bit legger than the usual collies so dont lose to much in size

as i want some bigger stuff but also the bread and butter.

Once had an alsatian straight cross top dog for working , but no coursing dog not like i want one ,so i would have been tempted by a quarter cross.

These dogs certainly come off game stock when i went to view them last nights hunting bag was hanging up all round needless to say it was very varied

bag of mixed game .

I woulnt mind a few dogs like when i was younger but married life and work commitments mean i am restricted to two and you cant really specalise,

I know what you mean though some of these dogs can be to intelligent for there own good when the going gets tough .

Nice dogs there rob good pics

[Guest robw]

cheers charlie,

 

the red dog came from rosiexgriff in 92 so the old boy is getting on now!!

 

the other two fawn pups are about 14 months now, again out of rosie and griff but some generations back now!!!! The are out the the same litter and although they have a similar look, they are very different dogs......lurcher to lurcher litters eh!!!

 

I know James was trying to establish a line of lurchers that would produce a consistent type of lurcher....griff being what he was aiming for i understand. The red dog is of a similar stamp to griff but i havent seen too many like him since!!

 

I had hoped to put the red dog dillon back to my current James line bred bitch to get some collie back into the bloodline....but work commitments prevent me from doing so! ........fingers crossed next year eh!! :friends:

[smallmouth 1]

smallmouth have had a word with charlie c about using casper over her. need to get in touch with her to have a look at her line bred papers

 

There's some good info for you to sift through on this thread mate...

 

If you want me to put any pics up of the bitch in question, just let me know and I'll give you my email.

[Guest robw]

charlie.........where did you get the video from you mentioned? or is it one you took yourself?.........i would be interested in viewing it

 

I am off up to see the old man soon, i will get some pics of the two fawn pups and post them, htey are about 14 months yet.....ideal for work next season!! The smaller bitch on the left in the pictures should make a good rabbiting dog, she's a nice size and canny with it

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Ive got a 3/4 grey 1/4 beardie and hes turnin out great. Hes clever and picks things up quicky and hes gettin real fast. Hes had a couple of rabbits and retrieved a mixy from the lake the other day, startin t get him stock broken now

 

 

 

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[Guest pan.handle]

looks like your doing a proper job smudge

 

all the best

 

pan

[Guest CharlieC]

the vid was made by James Mckelvie who bred Casper, he gave it me when I went to buy Casper, the other one is a mad thing I shot myself funny enough I met a lad today who I havent seen for years and I was telling him about the vid as his old bitch was running in some of it and we were reminiscing about the good old days

[Guest bez_3d]

How have you found the collie crosses at taking fox? Iv got a pup at the moment at 10 months which is 1/8 deerhound 2/8 Border 5/8 greyhound. Shes already 27 inchs. Very strong and powerfull. But not agressive toward other dogs and such. Do you think she has a good chance of bowling charlie? cheers for any help.

[Stabs 3]

Your dog's only a 1/4 collie so you've every chance. It's not whether they are physically capable, it's all about mind set. Most lurchers are more than physically capable as most foxes you are going to encounter are not going to weigh at much more than 20lb and most being much less. It's if they've got the minerals which is the $64,000 question

[Guest bez_3d]

On the few things she has ran shes been very keen. I think a little bit of pain turns her on :11: She picked up a squirell at 6 months and was retrieving it just fine when it whipped round a scratched her under the mussle, after that she just went sick and there was no more squirell. :11: Now she has a squirell hatred., so i rekon if a fox grabs her one day. NO MORE FOX :11:

[Stabs 3]

That's one hell of a jump Bez.... :11:

 

I've got a collie lurcher here and she was taking squirrels for fun at a very early age, and she's the boss of my bull terriers but she won't do fox, despite showing an early interest in them. She's a bailer

[Guest daz halford]

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[Guest bez_3d]

That's one hell of a jump Bez.... :11:

 

I've got a collie lurcher here and she was taking squirrels for fun at a very early age, and she's the boss of my bull terriers but she won't do fox, despite showing an early interest in them. She's a bailer 

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True but just saying that she has the ability to flip. :11: But so do most

Not even thinking of entering her to fox for a long time. Just using her on the hares.

[Guest robw]

I am not sure how you guys go about entering dogs and i am not preeching, but i wouldnt enter a lurcher to fox or hare until they are physicaly and mentaly ready, 18 months is the earliest i would consider it.........and that would be based on how the pup has matured.

 

With fox, like stabs said, its all in the mind.......most straight collie/grey are big enough, if its got even more greyhound in it (EG 3/4), chances are the lurcher will be bigger still so size is not the issue.

 

On the topic of Saluki blood in collie/grey........Why? You run a big enough gamble with two blood lines as to how the lurcher type will throw without increasing the variance in the litters.

 

I can see the use of saluki/grey for coursing......but they are slip and run dogs. Surely the collie blood offers sufficient stamina......with brains, trainability, feet and coat as a bonus.????

 

Ive got a 1/4 collie/3/4 grey and think there is too little collie in it for my liking.......(and it is only my liking).......by putting a saluki grey, to a collie grey, the best you end up with is 25% collie, 25% saluki, 50% grey......the lurcher will be a very racy dog but in my opinion wont have sufficent attributes from either collie blood or saluki.....

 

I might be rambling here.........and I appreciate that there are some good dogs out there of collie saluki grey bloodlines..........i just need convincing why saluki blood to a rabbiting lurcher

[Kye 77]

I used to think along the same lines regarding entering to certain quarry types...

But the Sighthound lads sure do things different over here!...The guys that run Coyote are running there pups as young as SIX months old!...they are of course run with older dogs to bring them on though...but it still seems young dont it!?...Im sure not many guys back home would consider slipping such young dogs on an animal that is the size of a Coyote!..

Ive hunted with a few Collie/GreyXSaluki/Grey...imo, they are FAR better than 3/4Grey 1/4 Collie...for some reason, the blood seems to gel togther real well...as for Saluki Hybrids being "Slip and Kill"...thats rubbish...some of the best smoochers i have seen have had Saluki in them...dogs are only as dumb as you LET them be!...

The Staghounds i have know are SUPPOSED to be slip and kill dogs...the male who is roughly 13-14 months old has seen a bit of game on the lamp, killed a few other things, blood tracked two elk, flushes quail and doves, and he is only supposed to jump from a rig and kill Yotes...lol...and thats all he would of done, but i wanted a hunting dog ASWELL as a Coyote killer..

When i was back home, i swore i would NEVER own a Lurcher without Collie in it...but i would like summat else in there aswell...maybe as little as 1/8 Collie?...1/2 breds are great..IF YOU HAVE THE WORK FOR THEM...but most lads just 'aint die hard enough to give them the work they crave...i love Collie cross'...but imo, to much collie, can be to much trouble!..lol.

Kye,..