Collie lurchers

[breeze 1,308]

Dingo dancer....the bitch i have here is the same way bred has the dog you are thinking of putting over your bitch.

James's Mouse x Nixon's Drum

 

Purdey.....pic taken a couple of season's ago

 

[Guest CharlieC]

Said it before, and I make no apologies for saying it again, that is one fine looking bitch you have there Breeze

[breeze 1,308]

No problem Charlie....you can say it when ever you like ...LOL

[Guest boney the dog]

you have Pm 

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Yeo liked what i saw saw dam and sire good stock kept by same bloke he had about 8 pups 10 days old ,there is only one dog left now a few going over the pond on the coyotes.

black pups should make 25 inch sire black dam brindle all pups black you can never be certain but the vibes are good

[smallmouth 1]

smallmouth has seen her & says that its worth  keeping the line going.

 

Not that my opinion's worth jack shit like, but you seem well happy with her, and she certainly looks very well put together, really caught my eye, and is certainly long backed for her height.

 

Having seen Breeze's racy bitch in the flesh and in pursuit on the field, I'd say a male equivalent of Purdey might be a good sire for a litter out of yours....

[dingo dancer 6]

smallmouth have had a word with charlie c about using casper over her. need to get in touch with her to have a look at her line bred papers if u need to have a chat pm me & i will give u my telephone number see u soon mate

[breeze 1,308]

Loki...understand what your saying mate....

The bitch in the pic is used in all aspest's out in the field...from a morning ratting with the terrier's, ferreting, working the lamp and finding and running daytime hares and knocking the odd fox down,and retrieving feather. Having said that she has killed numerous daytime hare's, but i wouldn't class her has an hare dog, far from it...the same goes for foxes.

 

I like most people on here try and get has much out of one dog rather than keeping one dog for one thing and another for something else. IMHO that's what MOST collie types are about, something that you can have ago at everything with.

[Guest CharlieC]

just ignore - was trying to post a HTML code and f****d it up good and proper :whistle:

Edited July 11, 2005 by CharlieC

[Guest CharlieC]

I dont think that worked :11:

[LAMPER 0]

Dingo dancer......over the years ive had the pleasure of seeing a good few of the Dogs in your bitches line work.

Thays tammy was probably the ugliest Bitch ive ever seen and also a useless bitch out in the field. This Dog was also a field trial winner.

Wrights Jewel was also a fieldtrial winner and nothing speacial out in the field either. Infact this little bitch was rather accident prone and her life was cut short after breaking the same leg twice. Before this happened though she did produce a litter by snelsons Billy who was a genuine 1/2 x Border Collie/Greyhound.

Now this Dog was Speacial and in over 20 years in this game,i still regard this as the best working Dog ive had the pleasure to see work. This dog was just truly magic.

Out of this litter i got to see Nixons Drum work and also a Dog called Charlie that snelson kept. Both of these became useful Dogs in their own right and performed well where it mattered. I would say out of the 2,and although not as well trained as Drum [nixon was an obsessive trainer and could teach a tin of beans to retrieve] Charlie was a better dog simply because he was more natural and was given more work. snelson worked his Dogs very ,very hard at the time.

Drum, was then mated to Ellis's Fly who was also a genuine 1/2 cross like the Billy Dog. I infact had a bitch out of this litter myself,which turned out a decent bitch but unfortunately was retired at a young age with a Foot injury.[Thays tammy also had terrible feet?]

Although i met B Ellis on a good few occassions i never got to see his Bitch Fly perform in the field. Though i do remember a conversation many moons ago with our very own LEARNER off here. He said to me she was a very speacial Dog out in the field. Now if Learner has this opinion of a Dog,with respect who am i to question his judgment.

Regarding James lines, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to realise this guy never worked his Dogs to a standard where they were realy tested. Drum was mated to his Bitch The Mouse realy in my opinion just to keep his family of Dogs going. At the time the Mouse bitch was kept by his daughter Sarah and realy doubt she done much with her. Saying that though,my good mate breeze's very own bitch is out of this litter,and in her own right has been a realy good bitch for him. Ive seen her work hundreds of times and never lets the guy down. Beieve me,breeze wouldn,t of gave her the years he has,had she not had something he liked.

Now dingo dancer.......if i was in your position id sway more to Snelsons Billy's lines or Ellis's flys if i was looking for a Dog to continue Breeding. In my opinion the best 2 in the pedigree. [and both straight 1/2 crosses...now thats interesting?]

I know fly produced some 3/4 bred Pups,but im not sure wether Snelsons Billy mated anything else apart from Wrights Jewel.

Do things for the right reason........not because it just seems right at the time?

 

All the best...Lamps

[Guest CharlieC]

I have to agree with a lot of what you say about the David James dogs Lamps

I have a video of David James working his dogs Griff and Mouse alongside James Mckelvies dog Hemp and David James dogs dont even get a look in. Several times his dog Griff nicks rabbits off Hemp and carries them back, I wasnt particularly impressed with his dogs to be honest. It was the style of Hemp working that impressed me and was the reason I bought Casper off James, he was a fast, "busy" type of dog and Casper inherited that style of working. I bred him to a racy bitch to try and keep the speed up and it worked very well, the pups that came off this mating, and the next generation are all quite "busy" hunters.

I have to say I think James idea of using a first cross over the david james dogs was probably long overdue as they can be quite collie-like and heavy.

 

I have heard a lot of good things about Brian eliss Fly as well, never seen the dog personally but heard good reports

[Guest robw]

Just had this thread brought to my attention and thought i would put up some picks of the james line of lurchers that ive had the pleasure of owning.

 

All but one of the dogs are still going and i would recomend the line to anyone wanting a good collie lurcher.

 

 

 

my current bitch 2 1/2 yrs old

 

when younger...about 2 yrs

recently.....enjoying old age!!

 

two of the pups - 8 months here

 

the old girl.....no longer with us but set a high standard [/img]

[Guest LEARNER]

like LAMPER, as said , i worked fly for one afternoon ,why BRIAN,went to the pub, in the hands off a out and out working man ,this bitch would have been a legend, in less than a hour ,i knew i was in the presence off some thing special, if BRIAN , had come up to me , why i was watching this bitch work and catch, i would have cut his throat and buried him ,in a ditch, just one year ,with this bitch ,would have been better than 20 with most good dogs ,i,ve heard people bragg about, and seen myself, but at the same time, i have encountered a lot off collie crosses, i would not have given house room to, i myself have always believe saluki blood in the make up ,off collie crosses ,would give you a better edge, ive seen a few of theses crosses, that have convinced me, to this conclusion, there is one now ,near me ,a saluki greyhound collie greyhound, its banging everything over, the best lurcher i,ve ever owned ,was bred with collie greyhound saluki, and a bit off bull blood, and i will like to point out, that a alround dog, will be classy in all things it hunts, when they can pull a deer down , a fox, a hare , they can catch anything ,and i will say ,make it look easy, i smile when i read folks saying ,there must be a weaknest , in all alrounders , well they are defintly on a different planet, to me, becuase i,ve never ,seen a weakness in a good allrounder.

[moley 115]

I am after a new lurcher pup ,and am wanting a collie x was thinking of getting a straight x ,but a guy is selling some colliexgreyhoundxcolliexgreyhound off good working stock ,i am not sure cause i dont want to end up with a near full collie anyone any expereince of such crosses or any advice at all or4 cmments etc,

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i have a collie/grey x collie /grey , hancock / typp ratcher breed , i got her given at 5 months , she,s 2 1/2 now and has had her first full season last year , not too much but plenty , for lamping and ferreting , she is probably the best dog i have owned, marks true 100% , works with and respects the nets and is focused on her job ,she is certainly not a hare dog , she hasn,t had a fox or deer (cos its illegal ) she don,t look like much , but i wouldnt take 10 grand for her, i,ll try and get one of the lads to put a pic up cos i,m not clever enough.

also have a whippet / collie but at only 9 months ,she,s had 1 rabbit, fast , clever and keen

[Guest CharlieC]

beautiful dogs Rob W

the red feathered one looks a lot like Caspers grandsire (Griff x Rosie) a very typical James lurcher, there is one on the video Ive got which looks very like it and its on footage taken at David James house - possibly a litter mate of your dog?

I like the 2 fawns at the bottom, stunning