F.A.O Si and Davey

[Elliott 436]

These type of things give me the pip, typicall BBS really: http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?574406-Springer-Pellet-on-Pellet

 

I know you haven't got a springer Si but they're even claiming it can't be done with a PCP - reckon either you or Davey would be able to do it on the indoor range at 25m?

 

ATB

[zini 1,939]

Hi Elliott,

 

Just read the post and what the others have said.

 

25 yards is only 23 metres and i have achieved a pellet on pellet group with my old ProSport in the past at ranges exceeding 23 metres (witnessed).

 

A spring piston rifle of good quality (HW or AA) will be as accurate as the shooter can shoot it.

 

Alot of people shoot to a good standard but if they applied the marksmanship principles as well they would improve and this sort of accuracy would be achieved.

 

I am always trying to improve my own shooting and however good we think we are there is always room for improvement if we practice more.

 

Who would of thought that a pellet could be split by a knife blade or a shirt pin could be shot in 2 shots at 40 metres? These are all things that have needed practice to do, so the key is practice and keep pushing yourself.

 

I know that if i had a ProSport after 1 week in my indoor range at work (practice) i could achieve what they are saying cant be done.

 

Regarding it being not achievable with a PCP made me smile. I have shot more 1 hole groups in that indoor range with my HW100 than you can shake a stick at (also witnessed).

 

Same again its just down to practice, correct shooting principles, pellet preparation and charging to a correct fill pressure.

 

Si.

Edited December 25, 2011 by zini

[Elliott 436]

 

Who would of thought that a pellet could be split by a knife blade or a shirt pin could be shot in 2 shots at 40 metres? These are all things that have needed practice to do, so the key is practice and keep pushing yourself.

 

Si.

 

Totally agree, think I'll post up a link to your vids and see what they say (I'm HW100KT Owner on there)

 

Hope you're having a great Christmas mate

 

ATB

[ryan666 64]

lol im sure alot of ppl get told things they have done are impossible or get slated for things,its simple ignore these kinda posts i do,im uploading a video now and i well expect to get some flack from it in some form :laugh:

[zini 1,939]

Yeah its true what you said Phil.

 

There are alot of home/chair/magazine experts on alot of these forums and read something and take it as the grail.

 

I have now spoken to 2 different people who write shooting articles in two different magazines on the subject of what gets writted in magazine articles time and time again that i dont personally agree with and the awswer i got was very intersting both times.

 

The people both even agreed and admitted to me that what gets written in the magazines is faulse but it is needed to be written or people would get upset. If you read this coming from reliable sources of course people will take it as the grail.

 

I believe its best to get out there myself and try things for myself.

 

Si.

[Pink or stink 162]

I'll go against the grain here and say that to put ten shots through the same hole as suggested on that link is unlikely. Even an olympian capable of 60 ex 60 will not put it through the same hole, 10 x every time perhaps but not same hole (4.48mm). Putting some excellent shooting skills aside the equipment available isn't capable of that sort of consistency when you consider differentials in fps/pellet weight etc. To clover leaf even minutely is entirely possible but benchresters would struggle to punch 4.48mm. I believe the original poster saw some excellent shooting but may have exaggeradted a little on the grouping, remember, this was severeal individuals he was talking about.

 

And to do this with 5 different pellet types increase my doubt further.

Edited December 25, 2011 by Pink or stink

[ryan666 64]

cant coment on springers myself.....last time i tryed to shot my lads i could not hit a barn door

[Tanican 24]

Pink,

 

I think the original poster on the other site was being a little confused himself. Due to my profession I know that If you were to shoot 10 shots perfectly through the same hole 10 times due to the laws of physics the hole would get slightly bigger up to a certain point and it would not be 4.52mm at the end. If you have ever watched the bench shooting championships with men and women shooting at a very high level and shooting tiny bulls eyes they only shoot one pellet at one target. I've witnessed more than 10 shots being shot at bulls eyes perfect so put this into context it’s more than achievable. In regards to Zini's comment I believe he was talking about groups with his .177 pcp no bigger than 6 to 8 mm in size and not 4.52mm as it as been taken. Look on his channel I've watched him shoot a 10 shot group on there that was about half the diameter of a 5p in under 30 seconds when he was demonstrating speed shooting so i know that with a methodical approach he would group 6 to 8 mm quite easily, not every time perhaps but he is more than capable Im sure at least 1 out of every 10 to 20 attempts. I also know that mr Terry Doh the editor of the Airgun magazine as shot many 1 hole groups which are just a bit bigger than the original pellet diameter, he even as framed pictures of some of the older ones so it can be done.

Watch and see what this guy does with a bow and arrow so a air rifle is caperble.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnBvfVJu8-U&feature=related

 

T.

Edited December 26, 2011 by Tanican

[bigmac 97kt 13,776]

hi si you need to get a bow and arrows mate for your next challenge lol atb mac

[Pink or stink 162]

Yep, seen some fantastic one one hole groups and in all honesty I too have produced some pretty small groupings even with springers over the years but the original poster claimed zero moa. I see later in the thread that the groups are now around 5mm so as I expected there was an element of the poster getting a bit excited.

[zini 1,939]

Hi Tanican,

 

Yep you have hit the nail on the head with what i was trying to get at buddy, I think i could achieve a 7 or 8 mm maybe a little less 10 shot group in the indoor range with a few attempts easy enough and that is probably the size the group would grow to as the pellets went through the same hole. Shooting with flat heads would achieve a better edge on the card aswell. Ill shoot some groups with the rifle after the New Year and see what i can achieve with weighed, washed and sorted pellets in the indoor range. I have fooatge somewhere of me actually managing 5 shots through the same hole and when i inspected the hole i could sit a new .177 pellet in the same hole and it was almost perfect less the card teers and maybe 1 or 2 mm.

 

Its not impossibel to get a really tight group believe me, it just takes lots and lots of practice, saying its impossible is alraedy defeating yourself before you start in my opinion.

 

For those who have watched The Rise of the Verminators they will have watched Davy and Andy shoot a super tight group each in the wind too at about 25 to 30 yards. If they would of been shot in the indoor windless range they would have been just about same hole standard im sure.

 

Si.

Edited December 26, 2011 by zini

[airarmsman 2]

well said si,

 

with my tx at 25yards i can get a few pellets though the same hole then the hole gets bigger,

 

and i KNOW you can group pellets though the same hole,its possible proven and done by mr terry doe,

 

also ive seen davy get 9/10 though the same hole at andys in the dart competion i was in

 

when shooting everything possible,and practice is only the way forward IMO,

 

as you have said on many vids springers in the right hands and practice will out do anyone's ability in shooting FULL STOP.....