kenny14 656 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 I think it's a matter of opinion as to what can be truly termed a sport, but this is the general definition of a sport: Sport is all forms of physical activity which, through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical fitness and provide entertainment to participants. Sport may be competitive, where a winner or winners can be identified by objective means, and may require a degree of skill, especially at higher levels. by that definition then, neither darts or archery are a sport?? I'd disagree. Both darts and archery maintain and improve physical fitness (darts minimally, though a long tournament tests both mental and physical endurance), are competitive, winners are identified by objective means, and certainly require a level of skill. Regarding archery, skeletons of bowmen can easily be identified by the arm bones being enlarged, therefore carrying larger muscles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,653 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 kenny is that not just on archers of old with the big longbows,,, todays stuff is all compound bows ect,,,, mind you its still very skilfull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob190364 2,594 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 I think it's a matter of opinion as to what can be truly termed a sport, but this is the general definition of a sport: Sport is all forms of physical activity which, through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical fitness and provide entertainment to participants. Sport may be competitive, where a winner or winners can be identified by objective means, and may require a degree of skill, especially at higher levels. by that definition then, neither darts or archery are a sport?? I'd disagree. Both darts and archery maintain and improve physical fitness (darts minimally, though a long tournament tests both mental and physical endurance), are competitive, winners are identified by objective means, and certainly require a level of skill. Regarding archery, skeletons of bowmen can easily be identified by the arm bones being enlarged, therefore carrying larger muscles. apart from being fit enough to stand up I don't agree about darts having any demand on physical fitness at all, mental endurance maybe, physical fitness definitely not....just look at half the the feckers that are good at it!!!! the only thing that's fit about them is their drinking arm! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,653 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 at one time i actualy thought being very overweight was an advantage for a dart player,,, it seems to steady them to the spot,, low centre of gravity and all that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 i just find it dificult to understand how yoy differentuate between cycling and running,,,,, nearly evry competitors bike is the same,,, there will be one or two with difrent gear settings maybee,,,, although i dont know the rules on this?? errrr now let me think.....a cyclist today will be doing faster times than a cyclist of 30 years ago....due to todays technology......hence the entire " sport " is governed by events nothing to do with sport ie technological research....... obviously im being a bit facetious about it ( thats a good word for me im pretty sure it does exist )..................i have respect and admiration for any athlete who reaches the top of their game....though i do think theres different levels of pureness with sports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 [apart from being fit enough to stand up I don't agree about darts having any demand on physical fitness at all, mental endurance maybe, physical fitness definitely not....just look at half the the feckers that are good at it!!!! the only thing that's fit about them is their drinking arm! Fitness is only one quality or requirement within sport............look at Phil Taylor,in my opinion if you accept darts as a sport we have the most succesful sportsman in world sport !.......ever !....nobody could ever doubt the will to win,technique,skill or competetive spirit of Phil Taylor and for me it takes more requirements to be a darts world champion than it does to be a cycling world champion.......i think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenny14 656 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 kenny is that not just on archers of old with the big longbows,,, todays stuff is all compound bows ect,,,, mind you its still very skilfull You're probably right there tomo, but some traditional bows are still used. It's also noticable when having a go at archery at any of the country fairs or other places, people with the better upper body strength handle the bow much better than even very fit people with less upper body strength. To change the note slightly, we shouldn't forget that sports can cause some very nasty injuries, such as the one below. And I'm sure no one would wish that to happen while they were sitting behind them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Id go as far as to say half of the sports we see at the Olympics next year are not really sports.......beech volleyball,sailing,bmx,mountain biking as a few examples................and the best one of all, Equestrian Dressage....what the f**k has that got to do with sport Edited December 23, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenny14 656 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 i just find it dificult to understand how yoy differentuate between cycling and running,,,,, nearly evry competitors bike is the same,,, there will be one or two with difrent gear settings maybee,,,, although i dont know the rules on this?? errrr now let me think.....a cyclist today will be doing faster times than a cyclist of 30 years ago....due to todays technology......hence the entire " sport " is governed by events nothing to do with sport ie technological research....... obviously im being a bit facetious about it ( thats a good word for me im pretty sure it does exist )..................i have respect and admiration for any athlete who reaches the top of their game....though i do think theres different levels of pureness with sports. People are also running faster, jumping higher, and farther than they were 30 years ago, and while better footwear and running surfaces do play a part, swimmers are also going faster. I believe that a good sportsman is partly genetic, and you have to be born with the ability, which is then nurtured to develop a top athlete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,653 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 the equstrian ide agree with,, do you diferentuate between beech vollyball and normal vollyball ?? shurly vollyball has skill and fitness. im not a fan of sailing,,, but dont they all have the same boat,,, ok the boat does the work ,, but im led to belive its very tireing and good fitness is required Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) People are also running faster, jumping higher, and farther than they were 30 years ago, and while better footwear and running surfaces do play a part, swimmers are also going faster. I believe that a good sportsman is partly genetic, and you have to be born with the ability, which is then nurtured to develop a top athlete. I like your views on this subject i totally agree as regards genetics hence,Phil Taylor was born a darts player.....Cavendish wasnt necessarily born a cyclist....no matter how hard Phil Taylor worked if he wasnt born with that talent he wouldnt of reached the top.....Cavendish could reach the top regardless of talent and thats my sticky point about cycling. Yes people are running faster,jumping higher etc.......but not because a new type of sythetic kevlar or some other material has been developed ....swimmers are going faster due to physical improvements in sports science/nutrition etc etc......water is still water so its a different improvement to a man made one in my opinion. Edited December 23, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 the equstrian ide agree with,, do you diferentuate between beech vollyball and normal vollyball ?? shurly vollyball has skill and fitness. im not a fan of sailing,,, but dont they all have the same boat,,, ok the boat does the work ,, but im led to belive its very tireing and good fitness is required Tomo would you accept barefoot beech football as an olympic sport ?........neither would i so for that reason i dont accept beech volleyball but yes id accept normal volleyball as a sport........sailing surely is reliant on the elements/weather as much as the boat itself............im sure its great fun and challenging.....but not a sport for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kenny14 656 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 People are also running faster, jumping higher, and farther than they were 30 years ago, and while better footwear and running surfaces do play a part, swimmers are also going faster. I believe that a good sportsman is partly genetic, and you have to be born with the ability, which is then nurtured to develop a top athlete. I like your views on this subject i totally agree as regards genetics hence,Phil Taylor was born a darts player.....Cavendish wasnt necessarily born a cyclist....no matter how hard Phil Taylor worked if he wasnt born with that talent he wouldnt of reached the top.....Cavendish could reach the top regardless of talent and thats my sticky point about cycling. Yes people are running faster,jumping higher etc.......but not because a new type of sythetic kevlar or some other material has been developed ....swimmers are going faster due to physical improvements in sports science/nutrition etc etc......water is still water so its a different improvement to a man made one in my opinion. I can't agree with you on that point gnasher. That theory would mean that anyone could become a champion cyclist, and I'm sure there are lots of people who put in as much effort, and have the will to succeed, but they simply lack that other vital ingredient. I'm sure that every one of us who've regularly played sport can remember lots of people who didn't put in as much effort as some others, but were far better players. And many who trained their bollocks off, and listened to everything the coaches told them, but they simply weren't ever going to make it. I do agree with you that sports science and nutrition do help, but it's a proven fact that even over the last few decades Humans have generally been getting bigger, and therefore surely better physically (couch potatoes aside lol). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 I can't agree with you on that point gnasher. That theory would mean that anyone could become a champion cyclist, and I'm sure there are lots of people who put in as much effort, and have the will to succeed, but they simply lack that other vital ingredient. I'm sure that every one of us who've regularly played sport can remember lots of people who didn't put in as much effort as some others, but were far better players. And many who trained their bollocks off, and listened to everything the coaches told them, but they simply weren't ever going to make it. Obviously its a bit of a wild statement.......what i mean apart from a great work ethic and dedication theres nothing you need to be born with( natural talent ) to make a great cyclist.......yes i feel pretty much anyone with the correct mindset and physical capability could reach the top of that sport....but the reality is that win at all costs mentality is very rare. You say about putting in as much effort but lacking that vital ingredient......but what is that ingredient ? its not skill/talent.........so all it can really be is either a physical or mental attribute........i mean how much is there to riding a bike....... I hope that didnt sound too disrespectful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,395 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) I do agree with you that sports science and nutrition do help, but it's a proven fact that even over the last few decades Humans have generally been getting bigger, and therefore surely better physically (couch potatoes aside lol). Yes but its still not man made.......like a lighter front wheel or more aerodynamic hat for instance Edited December 23, 2011 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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