lurchers and runing dogs

[x38 179]

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you .. i know a lad that had a dog nothing special and put it to a bitch (pet) and kept a dog and it never got the chance to shine as never of the lead and now will go back to it sire`s sister(thats a pet) so he can have a pup .......this is sad in my book ...at least give the dog a good working life and be worth taking something back... not coz its a pet you carnt be with out

[RossM 8,149]

Has anyone ever put blood into a line for it not to have panned out as they hoped and had to outbreed from that cross or went back to the previous blood, if this makes sense?

[whip x grey 276]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:22, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you ..

 

when i look back i see a marked inprovment in running dog breeds,,althou some off the greats wouldnt look out off place 2day

 

what i have noticed ,,,most 2day are more selective in there breeding,,,,,,,but some off the younger ones 2day who do breed, lack the older guys ( father,s /grand father,s /uncle ,,advise and experance and mistakes )

 

lurchers ,,,,up here ,,,,some off the pure breeds,,,i,e deerhound and beddie

 

i work in aberdeen,,,ended up going to dog pound ,,,for a look from a guy at work,,,,,and iam happy to report,,,out off 30 dogs only one lurcher ,,,rest collies /staffie ,alstations,,,

 

,meaning there,s a big decline in lurchers up north,,,which in away is sad,,,,as up north was a hot bed for hunting and running dogs,,,just goes to show ,when the greyhounds shut up there

 

now up here ,,,,glasgow /edinburgh and fife are hot beds,,,,,there,s decline in lurchers and running dogs,,,,in england its still going strong

[bunnys 1,228]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:30, RM2508 said:

Has anyone ever put blood into a line for it not to have panned out as they hoped and had to outbreed from that cross or went back to the previous blood, if this makes sense?

Makes alot of sense fella ,not all lines nick together has some would like .more soin the 21st centtury plenty of top coursing animals when bred on from have not nicked ,and produced nothing in comparission to the sire and dam . ONE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT MORE SO WITH THE EDIBLEALLROUND TYPES ,with some degree , theyre usually decent at one game or the other. atb bunnys.

[x38 179]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:40, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:22, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you .. i know a lad that had a dog nothing special and put it to a bitch (pet) and kept a dog and it never got the chance to shine as never of the lead and now will go back to it sire`s sister(thats a pet) so he can have a pup .......this is sad in my book ...at least give the dog a good working life and be worth taking something back... not coz its a pet you carnt be with out

 

when i look back i see a marked inprovment in running dog breeds,,althou some off the greats wouldnt look out off place 2day

 

what i have noticed ,,,most 2day are more selective in there breeding,,,,,,,but some off the younger ones 2day who do breed, lack the older guys ( father,s /grand father,s /uncle ,,advise and experance and mistakes )

 

lurchers ,,,,up here ,,,,some off the pure breeds,,,i,e deerhound and beddie

 

i work in aberdeen,,,ended up going to dog pound ,,,for a look from a guy at work,,,,,and iam happy to report,,,out off 30 dogs only one lurcher ,,,rest collies /staffie ,alstations,,,

 

,meaning there,s a big decline in lurchers up north,,,which in away is sad,,,,as up north was a hot bed for hunting and running dogs,,,just goes to show ,when the greyhounds shut up there

 

now up here ,,,,glasgow /edinburgh and fife are hot beds,,,,,there,s decline in lurchers and running dogs,,,,in england its still going strong

you not answered the question would you like to be where you began ...is that the best you can give .....back to the game

[whip x grey 276]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:56, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:40, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:22, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you .. i know a lad that had a dog nothing special and put it to a bitch (pet) and kept a dog and it never got the chance to shine as never of the lead and now will go back to it sire`s sister(thats a pet) so he can have a pup .......this is sad in my book ...at least give the dog a good working life and be worth taking something back... not coz its a pet you carnt be with out

 

when i look back i see a marked inprovment in running dog breeds,,althou some off the greats wouldnt look out off place 2day

 

what i have noticed ,,,most 2day are more selective in there breeding,,,,,,,but some off the younger ones 2day who do breed, lack the older guys ( father,s /grand father,s /uncle ,,advise and experance and mistakes )

 

lurchers ,,,,up here ,,,,some off the pure breeds,,,i,e deerhound and beddie

 

i work in aberdeen,,,ended up going to dog pound ,,,for a look from a guy at work,,,,,and iam happy to report,,,out off 30 dogs only one lurcher ,,,rest collies /staffie ,alstations,,,

 

,meaning there,s a big decline in lurchers up north,,,which in away is sad,,,,as up north was a hot bed for hunting and running dogs,,,just goes to show ,when the greyhounds shut up there

 

now up here ,,,,glasgow /edinburgh and fife are hot beds,,,,,there,s decline in lurchers and running dogs,,,,in england its still going strong

you not answered the question would you like to be where you began ...is that the best you can give .....back to the game

 

 

 

:laugh:

 

give me break lol,,,iam having few drinks 2night lol

 

right i think the dogs i have now are better,,,,,,BUT however i wished i kept my running dogs i gave up to become a gamekeeper ,,,,,but one off those bitches i gave up,,,her sire and her would beat alot off good ones now

 

but overall i think my 3 dogs i have now have the edge,,,,,,,but iam wiser now,,,,,dogs in past might have been better with my wiser head now,,,,,( does that make sence ???)

 

 

its the funny crosses now ,,,on puppy r us ,,,and charging £400+,,,,,thats the change i see now,,,,,that they wouldnt do back in the day ,,,unless a mistake ,,,certainly not charge those silly prices

[bunnys 1,228]

iWOULD THINK HAS FAR HAS ANIMALS GO LURCHERS ,SOME OF US MAY HAVE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE OWNED AN OUTSTANDING ANIMAL AT ONE GAME OR OTHER ,But like has life his nature dont stop for no man or beast , we will allways be striving and hoping each and every weilp we aquire ,put throughtraining feeding regime ,has the blessed natural gifts that when put to the test come to the fore ,ANIMALS ON THE WHOLE ARE SUPERIOR BRED TODAY,compared to how theey were , I MUST SAY I HAVE A TRUE LOVE OF WHAT SOME MAY CALL THE HEAVY TYPES THAT SOME WOULDINT LOOK AT TWICE .ATB BUNNYS.

[x38 179]

  On 22/12/2011 at 23:04, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:56, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:40, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:22, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you .. i know a lad that had a dog nothing special and put it to a bitch (pet) and kept a dog and it never got the chance to shine as never of the lead and now will go back to it sire`s sister(thats a pet) so he can have a pup .......this is sad in my book ...at least give the dog a good working life and be worth taking something back... not coz its a pet you carnt be with out

 

when i look back i see a marked inprovment in running dog breeds,,althou some off the greats wouldnt look out off place 2day

 

what i have noticed ,,,most 2day are more selective in there breeding,,,,,,,but some off the younger ones 2day who do breed, lack the older guys ( father,s /grand father,s /uncle ,,advise and experance and mistakes )

 

lurchers ,,,,up here ,,,,some off the pure breeds,,,i,e deerhound and beddie

 

i work in aberdeen,,,ended up going to dog pound ,,,for a look from a guy at work,,,,,and iam happy to report,,,out off 30 dogs only one lurcher ,,,rest collies /staffie ,alstations,,,

 

,meaning there,s a big decline in lurchers up north,,,which in away is sad,,,,as up north was a hot bed for hunting and running dogs,,,just goes to show ,when the greyhounds shut up there

 

now up here ,,,,glasgow /edinburgh and fife are hot beds,,,,,there,s decline in lurchers and running dogs,,,,in england its still going strong

you not answered the question would you like to be where you began ...is that the best you can give .....back to the game

 

 

 

 

give me break lol,,,iam having few drinks 2night lol

 

right i think the dogs i have now are better,,,,,,BUT however i wished i kept my running dogs i gave up to become a gamekeeper ,,,,,but one off those bitches i gave up,,,her sire and her would beat alot off good ones now

 

but overall i think my 3 dogs i have now have the edge,,,,,,,but iam wiser now,,,,,dogs in past might have been better with my wiser head now,,,,,( does that make sence ???)

 

 

its the funny crosses now ,,,on puppy r us ,,,and charging £400+,,,,,thats the change i see now,,,,,that they wouldnt do back in the day ,,,unless a mistake ,,,certainly not charge those silly prices

:yes:

[thomashyne 54]

  On 22/12/2011 at 16:17, whin said:

ive always been brought up with the lurcher as a allround dog and before the ban hares rabbits odd fox if need be a bit ferreting , maybe good at taking birds if neede to , what all youse guys thoughts on this as there has been a massive change not for the better in running dogs at times , an dother times for the better , weel start pre ban as we are not aloud freedom of speach

every lad on here been broght up around dogs as long as we all enjoy our lurchers and sport we do with them hope every body has a good season

[chartpolski 25,045]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:30, RM2508 said:

Has anyone ever put blood into a line for it not to have panned out as they hoped and had to outbreed from that cross or went back to the previous blood, if this makes sense?

 

Just an answer to your question, and no offence meant....but how many on here actualy have a "line" ? I'd say about 90% or more on here haven't !! I've thought for many years about my own "line", but at the end of the day, not bothered, I can get a well bred pup any time, without trying to go down the Plummer, Handcock, Burrell route ! There are lads who HAVE got their own lines, and certainly don't need to advertise them !

 

Cheers.

[whip x grey 276]

  On 22/12/2011 at 23:11, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 23:04, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:56, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:40, whip x grey said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:22, x38 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 21:56, whip x grey said:

the only thing has change ,,,,is some breeds,,,,and number off folk into it

 

lets not kid ourselfs on 20 /30 + plus years ago,,,,lurchers got passed about ALOT,,,no diffrence from some that goes on 2day

 

some breeds have changed,,,,,deerhounds were plenty,,,pure beddies in my area were plenty now ,,,hens teeth

 

but what they didnt have then was internet forums,,,,and they did what they did back then,,,and folk on here calling folk twats,,,,it was no diffrent then,,,they were worst rougues lol

 

younger ones rember older blokes dogs being a one off GREAT,,,,no diffrence from 2day young ones tooken out to watch an old ones dog run ,,,and tell the storys years later

 

it goes full circle,,,,,,are dogs now better than 30years ago say,,,,in some ways yes,,,,but in some ways no as some greats will always stand out,,,and if ran 2day ,,would cream the best 2day

so when you look back would you not like to think you could see a marked inprovment from were you begane from your first dog or was it the be all and end all ...and the dog for you .. i know a lad that had a dog nothing special and put it to a bitch (pet) and kept a dog and it never got the chance to shine as never of the lead and now will go back to it sire`s sister(thats a pet) so he can have a pup .......this is sad in my book ...at least give the dog a good working life and be worth taking something back... not coz its a pet you carnt be with out

 

when i look back i see a marked inprovment in running dog breeds,,althou some off the greats wouldnt look out off place 2day

 

what i have noticed ,,,most 2day are more selective in there breeding,,,,,,,but some off the younger ones 2day who do breed, lack the older guys ( father,s /grand father,s /uncle ,,advise and experance and mistakes )

 

lurchers ,,,,up here ,,,,some off the pure breeds,,,i,e deerhound and beddie

 

i work in aberdeen,,,ended up going to dog pound ,,,for a look from a guy at work,,,,,and iam happy to report,,,out off 30 dogs only one lurcher ,,,rest collies /staffie ,alstations,,,

 

,meaning there,s a big decline in lurchers up north,,,which in away is sad,,,,as up north was a hot bed for hunting and running dogs,,,just goes to show ,when the greyhounds shut up there

 

now up here ,,,,glasgow /edinburgh and fife are hot beds,,,,,there,s decline in lurchers and running dogs,,,,in england its still going strong

you not answered the question would you like to be where you began ...is that the best you can give .....back to the game

 

 

 

 

give me break lol,,,iam having few drinks 2night lol

 

right i think the dogs i have now are better,,,,,,BUT however i wished i kept my running dogs i gave up to become a gamekeeper ,,,,,but one off those bitches i gave up,,,her sire and her would beat alot off good ones now

 

but overall i think my 3 dogs i have now have the edge,,,,,,,but iam wiser now,,,,,dogs in past might have been better with my wiser head now,,,,,( does that make sence ???)

 

 

its the funny crosses now ,,,on puppy r us ,,,and charging £400+,,,,,thats the change i see now,,,,,that they wouldnt do back in the day ,,,unless a mistake ,,,certainly not charge those silly prices

:yes:

 

thank feck u understood lol,,,or ur just being polite,,,,lol

 

 

but however ,,,,sire to my bitch did 8.04 down south 32lb early ,s,,,,at home ran about 8,20,s at club level,,,,,this year most not all 32lbers were running 8.50,60s,,,,very poor year from them,,,but he was a freak

 

but as lines go,,,,,somtimes lines peak and never the same

 

but back in the day running dogs were used alot in thatcher years to hunt for tea,,,,i think back then had better feet on whole,,,,but some modern ones i think have excemptional feet for the times they produce

 

but one lurcher stood out for me back in ,s ,,,mostly whip/grey might hav had touch off suliki,,,,ive never seen better on daytime rabbits her name was spring,,,,i dont think ill ever see better,,,,i might hav photo off her,,,,,as back then,,,,when taking hares,,,,in photo some guys would add a turnip in photo to prove it was a winter hare,,,,funny thing that,,,,but in most cases veg was seasonal unless ya pay over the odds,,,lol i dont know as i was just kid then lol

[chartpolski 25,045]

FFS !! Bob, you're sounding like Whin !!! You know more about Non-Peds than most, so stay of the "Buckies" when youre talking aboot Whippets !! !!! LOL !!!

 

Cheers, Richie.

[whip x grey 276]

I AINT WHIN LOL,,,,,THERES ONLY ONE WHIN LOL

 

 

iam still learning,,,,,my knowlage is very little to the old x miners,,,,and non ped guys 2day,,,,,,,i learnt most as kid,,,as oldman or his freinds would keep me right ( do or donts ),,,ive sort off went against there advise somtimes,,,,but there knowlage is 2nd to none,,,,,i still see a guy ,,,from dundee who knowlage goes back to 50,s,,,,,,and his parents go back even more,,,,same as my old man leart off his and before,,,,,and i only picked up a tiny bit,,,,as i never listened lol lol,,,,but i got the jist,,,,,,,somtimes ull have normal dogs but once in a blue moon ull have great dogs,,,,whatever the breed they will do you proud

 

iam still waiting for that one ,,,,,,lol

 

 

but some non peds,,,,guys have 100times more knowlage than me ,,,,there like vets now,,,,any injury they wont know,,,aint worth knowing ,,,as they will tell ya best advice ,,,goes the same as lurchers,,,,,i couldnt fitt in my head what they know,,,,there a dying breed

[RossM 8,149]

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:30, RM2508 said:

Has anyone ever put blood into a line for it not to have panned out as they hoped and had to outbreed from that cross or went back to the previous blood, if this makes sense?

 

I'll try and reword it then, lol, I knew what I wanted to ask in my head but was finding it difficult to put into words, if say you had a saluki/grey and wanted to downsize it and bred it with a whippet only to find that the outcome dog was decent but not quite what you expected, would you then attempt to breed from the saluki/grey again or would you attempt to add something to the saluki/grey/whippet, I'm just using this as an example, hope this makes more sense?

[johnny boy68 11,726]

  On 23/12/2011 at 07:14, RM2508 said:

  On 22/12/2011 at 22:30, RM2508 said:

Has anyone ever put blood into a line for it not to have panned out as they hoped and had to outbreed from that cross or went back to the previous blood, if this makes sense?

 

I'll try and reword it then, lol, I knew what I wanted to ask in my head but was finding it difficult to put into words, if say you had a saluki/grey and wanted to downsize it and bred it with a whippet only to find that the outcome dog was decent but not quite what you expected, would you then attempt to breed from the saluki/grey again or would you attempt to add something to the saluki/grey/whippet, I'm just using this as an example, hope this makes more sense?

You'd have to decide though first whether the dog was throwing good stuff, if a breeding worked off that dog previously then yes you could go back and try again.It would be frustrating though as you'd either be passing on sub-standard(to you) lurchers or have a lot of culls.

 

I suppose anybody who's been in the game a while will get "highs and lows" in quality.