Old bull grey pictures, 1848!!

[j1985 1,984]

Here's a few pics I thought were pretty interesting of when bull blood was added to racing greyhounds back in the mid 1800's. The book ( that I cant find anywhere ) was first printed in 1848, theres also a write up on the reasons for the x etc that I could post up if wanted.

 

1st cross

2nd

3rd

4th

[DogFox123 1,379]

Post the write up cant beat ye olde books even If their methods are usually outdated

[GrCh 856]

nice find j.

[j1985 1,984]

 

And a ped where you can see where bull was added.

 

[jeppi26 1,855]

Good post mate what's the book called?

[j1985 1,984]

Think it's called stonege on dogs but Iv searched for it and can't find anything ? This was originally posted on a pitbull forum I go on so will pm the poster to see if the spelling is correct.

[Bosun11 537]

Good find, like I said in the thred on 'Old school lurchers', the greyhound men have been doing it for years and all those first and second crosses would have been used as lurchers. Nowt new about the bull cross, until it's cousins turned up from across the pond.

[Sirius 1,391]

I have a copy of the book, its a good read and one to KEEP hold of

Its basically explains in that chapter that the Bull dog called 'chicken' was added by Lord Orford to his coursing greyhounds and some drawing of the 1st X 2nd X etc.

[Sirius 1,391]

the greyhound men have been doing it for years and all those first and second crosses would have been used as lurchers. N

 

Bosun

 

What other breeders added Bulldog? How do you know they were used as Lurchers? Have you any reference of this??

And the Bulldog they are refering to I suspect is closer to a PB its just refered to as a bulldog

Edited December 22, 2011 by Sirius

[relic 30]

its the dog in health and disease by stonehenge, and it was lord orford who was your man for bullxs, he had a kennle of over 100 greyhounds, expermenting with the bulldogs of his day to improve the stamina of his coursing dogs, he all so set up the 1st coursing club in swaffham out on the fens in 1776 or around about

[relic 30]

a better pic

and these must of been the type of bull dogs that he was using for his xs working pit bull dogs from around that time young storm and old storm from the paddington line, they never lost so they say

[Bosun11 537]

the greyhound men have been doing it for years and all those first and second crosses would have been used as lurchers. N

 

Bosun

 

What other breeders added Bulldog? How do you know they were used as Lurchers? Have you any reference of this??

And the Bulldog they are refering to I suspect is closer to a PB its just refered to as a bulldog

 

To be honest I have no direct references, other than what I have been told from greyhound men in the past, lad's who have ran unlicenced. Lets face it, if Lord Orford used a bulldog outcross in the 1800's with excellent results, would some others after not follow and try it for themselves?

As for being used as lurchers, why not, it'd be no different than when whippet racers have used greyhound blood and given away the bigger pups, thats how I came by my first lurcher (or grew). Look to Walsh's Poachers Companion, that book tells of Bulldog crosses, I would guess not from direct lurcher production.

Like I said, no direct references, simply an informed guess and a great big hunch.

And i'd agree with you Sirius, the bulldog blood from 1848, would be much nearer the PB.

[j1985 1,984]

Mick I was gonna ask you if you had this book, would you know where I could get a copy ?

[lurcher.man 88]

Think it's called stonege on dogs but Iv searched for it and can't find anything ? This was originally posted on a pitbull forum I go on so will pm the poster to see if the spelling is correct.

What pit forum you go on mate,you can pm me if you want.

[relic 30]

try ABE books but it ant cheap mate, books with a lot more about him and his dogs are taplin from the very early 1800s vols 1&2 but £££££££££££ and the book of the dog brian vesey fitzgerald its cheap for [bANNED TEXT] it is with a good bit about baiting sports as well