Daft Question re. Bull/Greys?

[bunnybasher69 56]

If a well bred dog was available I'm sure most wouldn't mind if it was a little under the mark. Overall conformity, and structure should outweight a bit of leg.

 

[littletimmy 71]

Big bull x's; small man sydrome. Don't get me wrong a good big dog is better kill dog than a good small dog. But to say sub 23 dogs cant keep up is silly. We breed these dogs for tenacity, drive and fighting abilty don't we? So how does physical size effect any of these mental traits? The brain drives the body, not the other way around. Anyone with darcys new book will have seen the bitch "val" with a dead fallow buck, perhaphs 5 times her own weight. With no doubt of its authenticity, as i heard it from the horses mouth years ago when it happened.

 

We've already established if the brain that drives the body, so if a small bitch like this can pysically overpower such a beast, then foxes half her weight shouldn't be at a physical disadvantage, providing it has the desirable traits of a bull type.

 

Another thing alot of "bull x lads" NEED there dogs to do is take unnessisarry stick. CH Bulls are not made by carelessly being on the recieving end. They don't just hang on for dear life" they change holds, look for better, safe, kill holds. IMO, if you get a small bull xs who hold these traits, you'll have a much better kill dog that a big'un who just stand there wagging its tale, getting its face chewed. I've recently changed my views on entering pups and think this effects these traits, but thats a differnt story.

 

Foxes arn't as big a deal as people like to make out. They are never going to win, its always onesided, bullying. A bull doesnt have it so easy, its equally matched.

 

i've got a 22" cur bred collie x, looks like an rspca advert, which has had 5 hard seasons on charlie,albeit mostly doubled up for numbers, but has proved her self with singles too. Tallying up 13 foxes in 11 days a few seasons ago. If a scatterbred can do the job, how a well bred bull x can't keep up the graft i do not know.

 

The first x pup i'm running at the minute is coming on well enough, standing at 20". Cannot comment on her performance as its too early in the day.

Edited December 16, 2011 by littletimmy

[BEARINATOR 2,869]

Cracking honest post LittleTimmy

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

When you look at the strains of bulls that are/were used for their intended purpose, they're always relatively small build, as in not muscle bound and quite lightweight, the Americanised non workings ones are the ones that are bigger boned and muscle bound.

 

And with the greyhound, the ones that would be better suited to working are the ones that are on the smaller side as they'd have more stamina and turning ability (correct?).

 

So when breeding a bull x from worker to worker surely it would be smaller than some of the bull crosses you see on here? Some people seem to think more highly of the proper massive bull crosses and some people have commented about how a sub 23 inch bull cross would be a bit too small to do the business on a regular basis, and yet if you bred a true fighting bull with a small/medium sized greyhound chances are a lot of the time that's what you'd get, and I wouldn't have though a fighting bull crossed with a decent running dog would have any problem doing it's job?

For good results you should be aiming for a lurcher of 24-28 inches, and I like a dog with some weight behind it, say 70-90 lbs, and FAST, good feet, VERY AGILE, and super determined.

 

Yes sir!

[old timer123 367]

Big bull x's; small man sydrome. Don't get me wrong a good big dog is better kill dog than a good small dog. But to say sub 23 dogs cant keep up is silly. We breed these dogs for tenacity, drive and fighting abilty don't we? So how does physical size effect any of these mental traits? The brain drives the body, not the other way around. Anyone with darcys new book will have seen the bitch "val" with a dead fallow buck, perhaphs 5 times her own weight. With no doubt of its authenticity, as i heard it from the horses mouth years ago when it happened.

 

We've already established if the brain that drives the body, so if a small bitch like this can pysically overpower such a beast, then foxes half her weight shouldn't be at a physical disadvantage, providing it has the desirable traits of a bull type.

 

Another thing alot of "bull x lads" NEED there dogs to do is take unnessisarry stick. CH Bulls are not made by carelessly being on the recieving end. They don't just hang on for dear life" they change holds, look for better, safe, kill holds. IMO, if you get a small bull xs who hold these traits, you'll have a much better kill dog that a big'un who just stand there wagging its tale, getting its face chewed. I've recently changed my views on entering pups and think this effects these traits, but thats a differnt story.

 

Foxes arn't as big a deal as people like to make out. They are never going to win, its always onesided, bullying. A bull doesnt have it so easy, its equally matched.

 

i've got a 22" cur bred collie x, looks like an rspca advert, which has had 5 hard seasons on charlie,albeit mostly doubled up for numbers, but has proved her self with singles too. Tallying up 13 foxes in 11 days a few seasons ago. If a scatterbred can do the job, how a well bred bull x can't keep up the graft i do not know.

 

The first x pup i'm running at the minute is coming on well enough, standing at 20". Cannot comment on her performance as its too early in the day.

yes but a bigger dog with the same attributes would get the job done easier an safer in mho bud

[Boss-Hog 270]

its great how people know so much about other peoples dogs ,i was one of few that had best of the 80s in eek fact any doubt ask dogman 2000 lmao

[nitestalker 28 209]

had pits tat were 17 18 inch and 37 40 lbs worked very well also had a beast of a pit called brock 22inch 86lb very gud worker can cum in all sizes really

[spottydog 8]

thought this was a lurcher forum , obviously not !

[Mac 30]

Wonder if this bitch means anything to some of the ole boys on here.

 

Jailhouse was sold in pup to Ch.Bert and sent to D.H in England, she had 9 pups in quarantine.

 

she was half d.hs mate and half b's.

 

Bobby Hall only mentioned the DH name from what i read at the time.

[Gunner123 103]

its great how people know so much about other peoples dogs />

 

Not just any dogs though, historical working dogs that some like to read and hear about in this anti working dog era we live in. Keep your silly comments to yourself next time.

[Gunner123 103]

thought this was a lurcher forum , obviously not !   />

 

So no more bull cross talk then ? where do you recommend this type of conversation be ? terrier section? Get with the programme sprog.

[Gunner123 103]

you WONT find a real bull over 21"

 

Your serious ? how embarrassing!

[reddawn 2,173]

its great how people know so much about other peoples dogs />

 

Not just any dogs though, historical working dogs that some like to read and hear about in this anti working dog era we live in. Keep your silly comments to yourself next time.

 

 

an thats you told

[foxing machine 144]

imo size dosent realy matter. amd way dose it matter if thair musel bound or not??? as long as they do wat you want them to do sewerly thats all that matters??? sorry in advans for my spelling

[Gunner123 103]

imo size dosent realy matter. amd way dose it matter if thair musel bound or not??? as long as they do wat you want them to do sewerly thats all that matters??? sorry in advans for my spelling />

 

Jezzus christ , dont they teach spelling and grammar these days at the chimp enclosure !