retreiving help

[bratton 4]

hi there my dog is coming up 2 years old she used to retreive back to hand live but shes started to just hold the rabbit and wait for me to go to her and if i leave her she will just kill and leave the rabbit what is the best way to get her back how she used to be any help cheers bratton

[KittleRox 2,147]

Try some ragging work with her, may help a little, a fun type game for the dog

[bratton 4]

she isnt interested in anything unless its alive shes hard work mate

[KittleRox 2,147]

Couple of things you could try, back to basic retrieving with a food reward and if she just point blank refuses you could try her along with another dog which doe,s retrieve dummys and hopefully the jealousy will kick in and she,ll start picking up and take it from there,

 

I think skycat would be your best bet for advice mate, atb

[bratton 4]

okay mate i will give it a go cheers

[smudge jaylow 19]

okay mate i will give it a go cheers

bring her out wit another dog that does it and give the other dog a rub [bANNED TEXT] it brings it back hopefully yours will do it den bud

[ianh 83]

excuse me if this is stupid but what is ragging work? im interested as i am having the same problem with my lad recently, hes about the same age too, used to be good at retrieving but just seems to hold it there and crush it a bit at minute, very annoying

[bird 10,013]

to be honest mate, i dont think you can do a great lot. you can try all things people will tell you, to me the only thing i would keep doing is the recall. It dont really matter with the dummy, because the dogs knows it not a rabbit, and if you keep giveing retrieves it will stop that next . just do the recall with nothing in its mouth, its got to feckin come when you call right away. Dogs are strange animals really, if they get somthing in there head its hard to shift, and getting mad will make it worse. just keep on top of the recall ,and maybe it might get it to come in more to you.Somtimes a little rest from rabbits, might help and say 2-3 weeks time might help, it as with my dog. And they dont all bring back even if you hold a gun to there head Tod dont give a feck about guns Bryn good retriever they are all differnt mate,

 

[KittleRox 2,147]

Don,t agree there bird, i have used both methods I mentioned, ragging and the jealousey thing

 

One dog had no interest picking up the dummy so i took it out with another dog which did retrieve then the jealousy kicked in and the non retriever started picking up and didn,t want to put the dummy down,then once its interested take it from there, that dog turned out half decent at retrieving so that method works

 

The collie x I have now was dropping the live rabbits at my feet and they were making a run for it, bring it back and so on, done a bit ragging with her and she now holds onto them

[skycat 6,174]

A dog will bring its catch back to you if it sees that action as a reward in itself: not for food, or because you force it to. It MUST want to be with you, and with something in its mouth at the same time. Kittlerox is right, by ragging, or playing tug, the dog gets a major reward with both you and it holding on to the item. Don't worry that it will always want to play tug of war with the catch, because you phase out that part of the 'game' once the dog is willingly coming back to you to play. If anyone wants to read more about this I did a series of four long articles about the whole thing: the concept, and a step by step guide to playing tug, which in the end builds into a really good and consistent retrieve. Just pm me your email address if you would like to read the articles: I have to send them by email as I don't know how to attach them to a pm.

[bird 10,013]

Don,t agree there bird, i have used both methods I mentioned, ragging and the jealousey thing

 

One dog had no interest picking up the dummy so i took it out with another dog which did retrieve then the jealousy kicked in and the non retriever started picking up and didn,t want to put the dummy down,then once its interested take it from there, that dog turned out half decent at retrieving so that method works

 

The collie x I have now was dropping the live rabbits at my feet and they were making a run for it, bring it back and so on, done a bit ragging with her and she now holds onto them

what i was getting at is make sure the recall is 100% 1st. the ragging will help it to hold it catch yes , but its got come in close enough 1st , and the lad said it was dropping the short,. so thats why i said get the recall 100%, its got to come right to you with or with out anthing in its mouth . well thats how i look at it.!

[ianh 83]

A dog will bring its catch back to you if it sees that action as a reward in itself: not for food, or because you force it to. It MUST want to be with you, and with something in its mouth at the same time. Kittlerox is right, by ragging, or playing tug, the dog gets a major reward with both you and it holding on to the item. Don't worry that it will always want to play tug of war with the catch, because you phase out that part of the 'game' once the dog is willingly coming back to you to play. If anyone wants to read more about this I did a series of four long articles about the whole thing: the concept, and a step by step guide to playing tug, which in the end builds into a really good and consistent retrieve. Just pm me your email address if you would like to read the articles: I have to send them by email as I don't know how to attach them to a pm.

 

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[skycat 6,174]

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[scotty2306 37]

she isnt interested in anything unless its alive shes hard work mate

mine is the same she either kills and leaves it or brings it to about 10yds away but i cannot teach her as she does not attend retrieving classes she has no interest

[bratton 4]

cheers for all the help she shown a bit of improvement today with a couple of retreives from doing a bit of ragging and then giving her a treat when she came back with the dummy i only let her do a couple of retreives so she doesnt get bored but im over the moon with her il be out lamping tonight hopefully so il see if theres an improvement on real rabbits cheers bratton